these things are not trivial! They are action. Action that starts at home and works it's way outward from there are what is going to get this country back on top. Only thing is, there is no store bought way to do this, much to many people's disappointment. This will be a proccess that takes time.....again, much to many people's dissapointment and stifleing discouragement. Funny thing about positive actions. they are like compounded interest and the exponential nature of their prolifferation is astounding and amazing to behold. words never changed a thing for very long and this country is suffering from an overdependence of words rather than actions. as long as the public is told "words" they tend to ignore the actions of the leaders. I call those kinds of words "token bones". "Token bones are not going to cut it any longer and it's my mission in life to point that shit out even though it brings on the ridicule of others. thus far, the only thing i've been labled as "tinfoil" for that hasn't happened, is the posible end of life as we know it on or around 122112
Would just be same shit, different party. England has 3 major parties and their politics are just as fucked as ours are.
Politics, as with organized relligeons both may start out with purity and good intentions, but they both become corrupted by the 'machine'.
I'm just wondering, for all of you torture deniers, what will be the breaking point. What would the American government have to do to turn you away in revulsion and make you say 'that is wrong'?
There we go with the all-or-nothing rutine again. Just because someone says anything that doesn't constitute utter disgust, doesn't mean they are "torture deniers" or protorture. it's just that 10 years ago this was a non-issue. Right or wrong, it just wasn't talked about. Today it's an isue because of the media. It's always been there. The wrongness of the acts are self defining. It is now fasionable to hate the government and that's what these news articles are all about, else this would have been the issue it is today, back in the 60's. if anyone thinks i'm pro government, then you haven't paid attention to anything I've written in the past 6 years. I'm not pro torture, i'm just not pro-fad by the same token. As for what it is that the guv would have to do to make me turn away in revulsion and say "that is wrong"......again, read any of my posts from the last 6 years. You know, the posts that nearly everyone criticised me for. Another thing, if there is anyone who thinks any government is above these acts? Then an inventory of the depth/amount of naive thinking may be in order. Let's call an apple an apple here: it is now a fad to badmouth the USA government. It does bad things and now is the time to cry foul (too bad this is where 99.999% of people stop), carry out actions to better ourselves our comunities our states then our nation, weaken the entities that're responsible, become more self reliant and vigilant. Not sit in front of a TV or computer and buy into media feeding frenzys and settle for griping rather than taking action. Action is not a turnkey thing.....it's a proccess, not an event. Spout hatred for the USA all one cares, but WTF is that going to change? Getting away from the commercialized society, making huge sacrifices to not buy into a life driven by personal and industrialized greed, saying "no thanks" to the financial system, paying cash rather than accepting credit accounts....or doing without, growing your own food so as to not buy into a system that burns and destroys crops to control pricing while over 1/2 of the world goes hungry......these are actions that'll weaken the entities that own responsibility for the way things are. How many people are going to commit to that? Therein lies the problem. Settle for seeing only the smoke of the smokesceen, forever attempting to attain the carrot held just out of one's reach. Nothing changes, if nothing changes.
I was with you until right about there. I will keep my credit cards thank you very much. Its the american thing to do. But amen to the rest of it.
Please elaborate. Are you seriously telling me you think an integral part of what it means to be american is using credit cards? I don't actually think you do, but I'd like to find out what you mean. Are you using it as symbolic of a larger approach to life?
Yeah, I may be swinging wide to the outside of the box there. But either a person is in the box or out of the box. The credit industry has a way of making insane enough profits to create an environment where it may operate unchecked as we have seen. Why is the latest economic situation the way it is? Military, economics, materialism and government calamity are all smokescreens IMHO. They are man made institutions that are bound to become corrupt sooner or later. Beleive it or not, it's a pretty sweet life outside the box. It isn't trouble free, but it's pretty darned sweet compared to the servitude demanded to stay inside the matrix.
it was sarcasm. probably half of what i say on here is sarcasm. but honestly i am happy to keep my credit cards. i keep them to a reasonable balance and i'd rather buy now and slowly pay off then save up and buy later (as long as one is responsible about it, i have no problem with it)
As long as it's sa-weet It isn't torture. Torture would be for the interogator to sit and eat cookies without offering any to the suspect.
The hits just keep coming. Not only does General Petraeus say again that we should not torture (in slightly different words however) and that we should close Gitmo, he specifically says we VIOLATED INTERNATIONAL LAW. (video of interview in link, on Fox News of all places) But... but.... but.... I thought only dirty liberals criticized America, and it was never ok to do Naturally at the end of the clip, the Fox anchors still manage to excuse the behavior of torture and the existence of Gitmo, by arguing we have shit on our values before so it's ok to do it again. Edit: Also, torture and abuse in Abu Ghraib may have been much worse than what we have already seen:
But those in favor of torture will keep ignoring these things and finding ways of justifying their position, mostly by calling people who don't support this practice unpatriotic and/or any other epithet they can think of.
is anyone really arguing the torture thing anymore besides hardline republicans and fox? the daily beast is possibly the best name for a paper ever. also, saw this on the beast: well played sir, well played. on that note though, the woman is a raging union sympathizer (and i say this coming from a heavily unionized family)
I just did some searching, and found this fairly recent article: So even admitting it is torture, many people still seem to support it.
