Every single honor student of my graduating class was a pothead. That's about 70% of 1,500 - 2,000 students.
Just finished The Trip, you should watch it. Very groovy... If your school had 70% in "honors" classes I would have to call the curriculum into question.
I wouldn't. The fact is in many many places, pot smoking is considered normal. Especially in high school and college. I know a ton of smart and successful pot smokers, both young people and adults.
Some of the smartest people I know are potheads... The smell never bothered me and I never notice the smell after a couple of hours. Cigarettes on the other hand, man one of those near me and I HAVE to wash my clothes. I'm going to go smoke and go for a swim! Olympics here I come. Thanks Michael!
Well, I was actually referring to there being 70% of students in honors classes at all. Stoner or otherwise. For a public school those numbers simply aren't credible. EDIT: But I'd still love to hear your definition of "successful". Again, everybody has different experiences and I realize mine are limited. But I have a hard time believing you know any CEOs or astronauts that are chronic.
Astronauts, probably not. They probably don't drink or ever leave their exercise/perfectly healthy eating regime either though. But CEO's, I would say for sure. I used to smoke daily while I was in school for engineering and after while I was working. But now I smoke probably once a week or once every couple weeks. If I am experiencing alot of stress nothing helps me like cronic. I also know many successful people that smoke weed on a regular basis. They are people that are in high income/responsibility jobs and have fully functional loving families. I have smoked with multi-millionairs before as well.
How about someone with a PHD in chemistry, who went to school AND worked full time to start and runs his own law firm? And his wife who is an international leader in cancer treatment? More: Very Important Potheads (Richard Branson, Sarah Palin, Phil Jackson, Barack Obama, Bill Gates, Hillary Rodham Clinton, Stephen Colbert, John F. Kennedy, Carl Sagan, Newt Gingrich, Michael Bloomberg, the list goes on and on and on.)
I guess I have a different definition of what "chronic" means. I doubt anyone listed above would meet my criteria. And again, don't get me wrong, I loved the stuff back in the day. I'm just saying there is social danger related to legalization of any mind altering drugs and it should be handled very carefully. The example that pops into my head are the Chinese opium wars. Obviously pot isn't anywhere nearly as socially detrimental as opium, but it still should warrant caution.
I think I agree with you MSP. If you are smoking marijuana and it is affecting your life in a negative way, there is a problem. I just get defensive when I feel people view any weed smoking as detrimental.
I don't know about how much danger it would bring, but there would guaranteed be a huge social effect. Nobody knows until they try it I still believe that alcohol is much more dangerous then weed could ever be and that if we can survive with all the crazy alcohol situations then we should be fine with some pot!
We're talking about kids who were taking pre-trig in their 8th - 9th grade year. I of course was in pre- algebra still I was smart enough, but never really cared. I slept in school, either in the nurses office or in ISS. I think the only class I could stand going to was English and Art. (Chorus when I was in freshman - junior.) The only class picture I took was my freshman year. That's how much I hated that school, I want no memories of it.
You guys don't even want to get me started on this. haven't we gone over this like a billion times before anyways? maybe later i'll do a seach and repost all the posts i've made on this topic here
Yeah, I agree with MSP. I don't think its about marijuana in general but what social affects it will have thereafter. Sure, everbody get high, then what? What comes next? They don't call it the gateway drug for no reason!
explain to me why exactly they call it the gateway drug, and provide some scientific evidence to prove it. did you know water is also a gateway drug and possibly the reason for every problem in the world?? every single drug addict, alcoholic, rapist and murderer in the world have all at some point in there lifes consumed water.
Pot is totally a gateway drug in America. Think about it, you have people constantly telling you as a kid that pot is bad, it ruins lives, and it's illegal etc. Then one day you want to try it or you give in to peer pressure and you realize that it's nothing. You just feel tired and hungry. As a kid you're going to think to yourself "wow, pot ins't so bad, I don't know why people give it such a bad rap". Then one day you use the same logic and think "hey, pot wasn't nearly as bad as everyone said, maybe I'll try some cocaine" and then it can go downhill from there. I don't think this always happens, but that's how I see the logic. I'd like to see it legalized, but at the same time current pot is way too potent. If you get some really good weed you can't even function it makes you so high. Maybe if they controlled the THC content like alcohol it could work.
Are you kidding me? Let's consider that not everyone is as calm, collected, logical, and controlled as you. What of the rest? Of course it's a gateway drug. Scientific evidence? How about testimonials from those that have entered the world of illegal drugs through pot. The numbers are outstanding. You don't just wake up one day and say "I feel like doing Heroin" IMO
So if it was a legal drug would that solve the gateway problem? If people could smoke pot legally they wouldn't be classifying themselves as illegal substance users and be more likely to try other illegal drugs.
If pot were readily available via legal channels it might not be a gateway drug. But as it is now you go to Tony down the street to get it, and oh by the way, he's got some crack here if you'd care to try it. The more you bring into contact with a thing the more likely they are to interact with it.
weed is decriminalize here in Madison, WI and Waukesha, WI it's a slap on the wrist, a fine... wow Marijuana: Wisconsin's Dane County (Madison) Will No Longer Prosecute Simple Possession | Stop the Drug War (DRCNet)
#1 I am a firm believer that if pot is in ANY way a "gateway drug" it is purely due to the fact it is illegal. If it were sold through legitimate channels as alcohol is, buying pot would not bring people into the illegal drug economy in the first place. But on that note, I'd bet EVERYONE who has tried hard drugs has also drank beer. How do we know beer isn't the real gateway drug here? #2 That whole potency argument seems absurd to me. Granted pot is more potent today than in the past, but your telling me people didn't used to get just as stoned? You think they people in the 70s smoked a little bowl, got just a little high, and said "Yah, I'm high enough now"? You think in the days of Pink Floyd, Hendrix, and The Doors, people were not getting just as stoned as people do today? No way, if anything increased potency is a good thing because it means a person can smoke less of it, meaning you are exposed to less smoke, thus more potent pot is in fact more healthy. Think about that one Finally, pot is both America and Canada's LARGEST CASH CROP. In America, it is estimated at $35.8 billion dollars, which makes it more than the next two, corn and wheat combined. If it were legalized, regulated, and taxed, all that money could go into the legitimate economy, not to mention the billions of dollars it would instantly strip from the budgets of international organized crime, whos profits are not even figured into that number.
in my opinion, pot is no where near as bad as everyone in my more formative years (elementary school) made it out to be. after smoking way too much and not being able to think correctly i never wondered what other drugs felt like and ive never had the urge to go start injecting heroin between my toes or doing lines of blow off some chicks ass (although that second one sounds really cool). i think it has more to do with the environment in which the substance is consumed. the person who got me smoking is an ex heroin addict and pounded into my skull every day that the harder drugs (oxycodone, heroin, cocaine etc etc etc) were drugs that were not to be fucked with, they ruin your life and your body. kids who start smoking in an environment where hard drugs are around and consumed will most likely turn to hard drugs because its around them and if one drug isnt bad, the others cant be much worse. in that sense it is most likely a gateway drug.
Haha, speaking of drugs watch this video: Stoned Little Kid After Dentist Visit Video That little kid acts just like a teenager on LSD
Being somebody who's had his share of teeth pulled (5 actually), I've had some great Nitrous Oxide experiences! No cavities, just bad genetics. But yeah, I've been "abducted by aliens" sitting in that reclining leather chair not once, BUT TWICE. I actually opted to be conscious during my oral surgery for my impacted left canine tooth. Five shots of procaine all the gas I could suck down... how could I argue with that? You don't need to go to a Grateful Dead show to have a good time on NO2.
Once again... I think some are speaking from a bias and personal stand point. Just because smoking weed didn't arouse your interest in other drugs doesn't mean it's the same for everyone. Of course, vise-versa. BUT, because of the chance that 50% of Americans can turn to other substances for satisfaction, doesn't make it right to become legalized... IMO
