Anyone watching the RNC/DNC conventions?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by ivwshane, Aug 29, 2012.

  1. Tacdriver

    Tacdriver Junior Member

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    It wasn't embarrassing for me just kinda......odd. Now the radicals on the left are calling him Senile and a terrible role model. They even attacked Rice and Mia Love after their speeches. 2 intelligent black women talking at The RNC Convention means your Woman Card and Black Card are instantly revoked I guess. Pretty vile even for the extreme left. I know they don't speak for the entire Democratic Party.
  2. ShabazKillaX

    ShabazKillaX I'm an F18 bro

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    The minute a black person voices conservative views they are labeled an 'uncle Tom' from the left. Been that way forever.
  3. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    I just watched the whole speech and I don't get it, Eastwood was fine. He's become rather dottering, but overall it was a decent and moderate speech.
  4. Commissar Smersh

    Commissar Smersh HODL Staff Member

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    IMO it was a sad fall for Mr Eastwood. I've known he's been a conservative for many years but doing a quasi puppet show in mockery of the President in primetime takes away so much from his years of amazing film work.
  5. ShabazKillaX

    ShabazKillaX I'm an F18 bro

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    I'm sure he won't loose any sleep over your opinion of him.
  6. Commissar Smersh

    Commissar Smersh HODL Staff Member

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    I don't expect him to. His speech did however take away from Romney's introduction speech. They should have put Clint on another night if they were going to televise him.
  7. ShabazKillaX

    ShabazKillaX I'm an F18 bro

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    I don't know about taking away from Romney. As one commentator put it, "Joe six pack isn't going to remember the rambling, just that Gunnery Sgt. Highway was there speaking for Romney."
  8. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    I'm just curious who are these radicals on the left you are talking about. I heard nothing but good things about Rices speech and Rubios.
  9. Commissar Smersh

    Commissar Smersh HODL Staff Member

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  10. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    Lol!!
  11. HEAVY-D

    HEAVY-D Eh?!

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    One thing about the RNC, they made everyone forget that the only one allowed in from the previous administration was
    Condoleezza Rice. WTF since when do you not bring the previous admin to the RNC?
  12. JZL

    JZL Ministry of Wack

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    I'll hazard a guess that not many from Nixon's administration were at Ford's 1976 convention-- oh snap, maybe that's because they were all in prison!
  13. Tacdriver

    Tacdriver Junior Member

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    I think you mean Carter. Then he pardoned a few peeps from Nixon's admin.
  14. HEAVY-D

    HEAVY-D Eh?!

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    Oh come on, that's soooo petty.:p
  15. JZL

    JZL Ministry of Wack

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    Whatchutalkinaboutwillis . . .

    Ford pardoned Nixon and that was about it. It probably cost him the election, and rightly so. (The remark during the debates about Poland being a free country probably didn't help much either) I'm not aware that Carter pardoned anyone from the Nixon crew. Kissinger was about the only top aid that didn't get charged/convicted of something.

    Agnew pled nolo contendre to some money laundering scheme that was unrelated to Watergate. This is why he resigned and how Ford became veep. I don't know if he did time or not.

    Haldeman, the chief of staff, did about 18 months. Ehrlichman, the adviser on domestic policy, also did 18 months. These were the two who actually carried out Nixon's instruction to browbeat the FBI Director to quash the Watergate investigation on CIA-national security grounds. It was the imminent disclosure of the tape of that prior conversation between the three that led to Nixon's resignation. That was the "smoking gun" for the conspiracy to obstruct justice. I think both Haldeman and Ehrlichman were also convicted of perjury for lying about same to Congress.

    Charles Colson, special White House counsel, did a few months on a conspiracy charge. I'm unclear what he did specifically but I think he was one of the guys in charge of Dirty Tricks. He later found God and may actually be responsible for the term, "born again."

    John Mitchell was the Attorney General and was also the director of the campaign, (CRP or CREEP, depending on your leanings-- Committee to Re-Elect the President. Interestingly, the Madison Avenue ad men had determined that Nixon's name had negative connotations so the name of committee to re-elect him did not bear it) He did more time than the others, maybe two or three years, prolly because he was the nation's top law enforcement officer and the chairman of a major presidential campaign at the time he committed his crimes. I think his main deal was being in charge of paying the hush money to Howard Hunt out of the campaign's slush funds.
    Commissar Smersh says thanks for this.
  16. Commissar Smersh

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    JZL is a Nixon historian!
  17. JZL

    JZL Ministry of Wack

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    "No books by crooks!!"

    I'd be lying if I said I didn't have to double-check some of that stuff. I admit I read Ehrlichman and Haldeman's books. I read Kissinger's memoir, too, but it's not much about Watergate. Modern history FTW!

    Maybe Ford was right to pardon Nixon so that the country could end that fugly chapter of it's history, but it wrankles me that Nixon walked free while his underlings did time, and that he never accepted responsibility and that he blamed them, throwing them under the bus when it suited his purposes. Fack, he's on tape committing one of the biggest crimes in the history of our nation, undermining the peoples' confidence in their own govt. probably for generations, and he never owned it.

    And for what? That will always be the big mystery. McGovern was never a serious contender and his campaign had completely imploded after the fiasco with his first running mate Eagleton. Nixon may have been mean and paranoid, but he was also one of the shrewdest operators in the history of American politics (and to give credit where it's due, in the history of world diplomacy). He had such a hard-on for the Kennedys that maybe he thought he was going to find some major dirt on them or something. /shrugs

    (BTW, more of Reagan's people where indicted than Nixon's.)
  18. Tacdriver

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    G.Gordon Liddy was pardoned by Carter. It was Carter because he spent the most time in prison He wouldn't testify against anyone like the others did. Also, 1976 is when Carter accepted his party's nomination for President. Add the book "Will" by Liddy to your Watergate reading list........it's a must have.
  19. bigwill51534

    bigwill51534 Saint, Church of Ryanism

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    Yep, awesome read. I have read that book 4-5 times, the first being while I was in High School. It really provides a lot of insight into the mentality of those involved in the scandal. Most were essentially just doing their jobs and doing what was ordered of them without regards to whether it was right/wrong. Hell, a majority of the FBI agents didn't even know the extent of what they were doing. Pretty sad, really, that they still took the fall. But, G. Gordon Liddy always maintained his integrity and honor by not incriminating anyone else while in court.

    ~Will Courtier~
  20. Tacdriver

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    Actually I may be wrong. Carter may have only commuted Liddy's sentence and set him free. I believe he's still considered a convicted felon. So that most likely means he wasn't pardoned.
  21. bigwill51534

    bigwill51534 Saint, Church of Ryanism

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    Here you go. Biography on G. Gordon Liddy from Wikipedia:



    ~Will Courtier~
  22. JZL

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    I did not know that. I might check out Liddy's book.

    To me Haldeman may've been the least culpable. Liddy, Hunt, and the Cubans were all operators and in this case, actual burglars. Haldeman was an ad man; the only one of the tops aids who was not a lawyer. All the others, including Nixon, knew exactly what crimes were being committed.

    I know Carter was elected in 1976, but Ford and the Republicans still had a convention that year. My snarkey comment was in response to HeavyD's bafflement about the prior administration not being invited to the convention.
  23. JZL

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    Back to HeavyD's point-- it is telling that the Republicans have virtually disowned the geedubbya administration. It hasn't even been four years yet-- but they'd like us to forget. I liked Maher's joke about it-- they wish they had one of those Men In Black white-light mind-erasers.
  24. ivwshane

    ivwshane We are all old school!

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    I don't know about you guys but the dems are killing it! They are getting very specific with what Obamas policies have done for real people.

    Sure there have been some standard partisan speeches but the headliners are getting specific and keeping the details simple.
  25. ShabazKillaX

    ShabazKillaX I'm an F18 bro

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    Yeah, they 'killed it' with the whole removing god from the party platform, then putting him back in despite the boos. Oh, and the whole not recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, then putting that back in after a few rounds of voice votes.