5 Freedoms You'd Lose in Health Care Reform

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Caucasian Hammer, Jul 28, 2009.

  1. Lord Kain

    Lord Kain Keeper of the Timeline Staff Member

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    Well, if there's only 2 physicians that does the procedure in his town, private system or not, you're gonna wait.
  2. ivanolo

    ivanolo Guest

    He has to wait a year because of Obama. Fucking Socialism!
  3. Tacdriver

    Tacdriver Junior Member

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    Now your getting it!!
  4. MSP

    MSP Haunting a dead forum...

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    In a market driven system the demand would increase the number of specialists, removing the wait (or the 2 hour drive, lol).
  5. Dr. Flashpoint

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    Sounds like they understood the way things we going...
  6. GRP

    GRP oh snap

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    I'm a tenth amendment type of guy.
  7. mistawiskas

    mistawiskas kik n a and takin names

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    concerning modern medicine in an overly capitolistic society:
    I believe we've been fucked for quite some time.I also believe that HR3200 is just biz as usual and nothing will change. money will still be made and incompetance will still reign supreme in our oversized and growing government. We're still fucked and tomorrow we'll be fuckter.
  8. GRP

    GRP oh snap

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    Love it.
  9. Tacdriver

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    Now we're talking Texas and the sovereignty they seek. But that makes them ridiculous for wanting that from what I've read.
  10. Goofus Maximus

    Goofus Maximus Too old to be this dumb!

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    That's the theory, but in application, it doesn't work that way, since there's a multi-year lag time, getting through medical school, and populations/economics shift, while the poor student racks up a huge medical debt. As a result, the student will concentrate on a high-return specialization to pay off his debts, and give him that Ferrari & golf-course lifestyle.
  11. ivanolo

    ivanolo Guest

    Oh, I get it.
  12. tex

    tex jive turkey

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    we're actually one of the few states who could possibly pull it off (ahem, south carolina)
    most everyone here (even out in the boonies) is perfectly fine being in the US though. i actually dont know anyone personally who advocates secession. Perry (the governer) said something stupid at a rally, but it was mostly just blown out of proportion. (i think it was along the lines of "well we could seceed, IF we wanted to")
  13. Eavanr

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    Universal health care isn't a power over you, its a power to help you. Are community libraries a power over you? Are highway transit systems a power over you? Wake up MSP. There is nothing in the constitution or the federalist papers that would limit the creation of a universal health care system.

    And if you agree the system is horribly broken then what is your solution. Universal health is working for other countries a hell of alot better than what the US is doing.
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    The federal government doesn't manage community libraries, at least not around here. It's a function of the local / state government, as it should be. You didn't really address my question though. The writers of the US Constitution created a weak republic deliberately, were they wrong? Shouldn't we strive to keep it that way?
  15. Goofus Maximus

    Goofus Maximus Too old to be this dumb!

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    It's a bit late to be striving for that, especially since the Civil War. In fact, the Constitution specifically STRENGTHENED the power of the Central Government, after the abysmal failure of the previous Articles of Confederation, which culminated in such things as Shay's Rebellion. We then went through the Whiskey Rebellion to cement Federal Governmental power. (as well as showing that the Founders themselves were not infallable in their beliefs)
  16. tex

    tex jive turkey

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    oooooooh someone took a history course

    Again - both handled (mostly) on a nonfederal level.

    But all on a much smaller scale. is there any country close to the size of the US that has a successful, national healthcare program?

    i could get behind a mandated, state-run program i think...
    (ignoring the fact that i am completely happy with my healthcare as is)
  17. GRP

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    Pretty much this.

    The only problem I see needing to be addressed is coverage for the working poor.
  18. mistawiskas

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  21. Tacdriver

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    The public transit system and the libraries weren't used by only by people that could afford them and then suddenly opened up to every one. Perhaps you should wake up or at least think about it. Universal health care is working in other countries better than here? My healthcare is just fine thank you.....leave it alone. If I need a specific procedure done, I can get it done in a timely fashion here in the US. I can see a specialist in a timely fashion here in the US. You were saying it was better where? Perhaps you need to wipe the sleep out of your eyes?
  23. MSP

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