I don't know if anyone caught this on 60 Minutes this weekend (have I mentioned how much I love 60 Minutes?). I think it adds to his mystery. He's very restrained and methodical with his responses. It does give me more understanding of WikiLeak's intentions. I agree with his reasonings and his logic, although I'm conflicted on how he feels it's okay to disclose the names of informants. It's going to be very interesting how the government tries to pursue him. The newspapers are pretty interested, too, because in theory, WikilLeaks is just a publisher. Hmmm.
Here is the behind the scenes "overtime" video: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504803_162-20029950-10391709.html?tag=component.0
Why do you think he's a lunatic? Do you think what he's doing is wrong? Did you watch the video? This isn't an attack, I'm just asking.
He is so wrong in his thinking. So many in the media have boasted about this evil fuck as a hero but in all reality he's put peoples lives in danger. Why is it OK for him to post some of our countries deepest secrets but out Valerie Plame (Not a real CIA field agent by the way) so awful? Does anyone remember that? They've even made a movie about it starring of course Sean Penn. Hypocrisy at it's best!
I have no problem at all with what he does. What exactly did he leak that could do harm to us? Didnt one of the papers leak the whole watergate issue? Be mad at the sources that he gets his info from he is just getting that info out to the public. 60 minutes is the only news show I watch, its the best.
But he or the leakers did not institute the acts and decisions that put people in harms way. Blaming Assange for the trouble the truth causes is nothing but a cop out to the fuckwads that actually were the people who put our people in harms way.
If I remember correctly, however, the outing of Valerie was in retaliation for her husband writing against Bush/Cheney policies. So that was an immature pouting of a reaction whereas Assange wants transparency from our government. It seems like two different motives to me, the Plame being malicious.
We've discussed Assange before, I really don't feel the need to rehash it again. Of course what he's doing is wrong and unlawful. http://www.tweak3d.net/forums/showt...-Next-Release-is-7x-Bigger-Than-Iraq-War-Logs EDIT: And personally I think he's a douche. I watched the video, and it did nothing but to reinforce and strengthen my dislike for the man.
Some of you have no idea the implications that some of this material has. I wish I could give you details, but lets just say that there is a reason things are classified. It is done so in the interest of national security, not for the sake of just being secretive. People in the military and in various vassals of the government devote their lives to quietly protecting you. In order for them to do their job, things need to be classified. I guess the point is, it is secret to protect you, ultimately. NOT to oppress you.
What level of "classified" are you talking about? There are four levels and the most published is the lowest at "restricted". The levels being: restricted, confidential, secret, top secret. what you are discribing would fall above secret or at least confidential. there seems to be a war declared on assange by the US government and what we are seeing is the childish tit-for-tat just like Crackpipe mentioned. the Us guv doesn't want anyone to think they can devulge the dirty tricks and backstabbing ways that are the mainstay of how we treat the rest of the world. Assange just told them to "fuck off" so they're launching a dirty tricks campaign. Just try and find any particulars on just who was put in harms way by and disclosure of restricted materials. The lobbying of the public by the US guv is working on MSP it would seem. You'd think that nuke secrets were published and handed to terrorists on a silver platter going on what the us gov is attempting to portray. If anyone wants to base their thinking on utter bullshit, who am I to stop them?
There is plenty of information AT the secret level which would give our adversaries an incredible advantage over us, in many different realms. Also, I have never heard of restricted. You have unclass FOUO (for official use only) which could be a rename to restricted, I don't know. Usually the difference between top secret and secret is this, secret contains the same final information, conclusion, recommendations, etc. The TS version of the same thing will be identical except it will contain technical details, locations, sources of information, information collection methods, etc. Details. This is not a hard fast rule either, it just depends on the type of material. The big problem is the enemy knowing that we know what they are up to.
"restricted" was a WWII classification level, so uh, yeaaaaaaah. I guess no one is hurt anymore by the disclosure of restricted materials?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classified_information#Classification_levels You guys believe everything the US government says or infers?
nope, but I also don't dig for conspiracy theories in everything I hear, not do I automatically assume the government is lying
shadowwolf what exactly did they leak that was harmful? I have not heard of anything and 60 minutes did not mention anything that was harmful.
Give the gov enough rope and it'll hang itself nearly every time. Not so much on purpose as much as out of inefficiency, ineptitude, and power greed. All the downfalls of a government that has grown way beyond a reasonable level. And I dig for nothing. We don't even need to dig for anything, it's right on the surface, right in front of our self motivated eyes. This is just it. Nobody can point to a direct instance of harmfull info or evidence of people being in harms way. It's way to easy to mearly claim something in order to sway the public without the need to proove anything. People are just that gullible. What do we expect when we have lawyers running the country.
Rewatch the video. The interviewer brought up the number of informant names that were leaked, and our enemies reaction to it. Anyway, I'm not going to dig into this again. Just re-read the previous thread. There are a lot of arguments here that while I don't necessarily agree with the opposing view, I can at least understand it. This is not one of those arguments. Need for government oversight and whistle blowers? Absolutely. Assange and Wikileaks choosing, filtering, and releasing our government's secret documents? How in the fuck could a rational, intelligent person say "yes"?
Not trying to offend anyone, I just can't wrap my mind around how anyone rational could fully support what Assange is doing.
Some people just simply want to know what their elected officials and their cronies are up to. Military secrets should be kept out of the disclosures aside from blatant violations of the laws and in-so-long as the actions of those that we hire to defend us does not create more ill-will to we-the-people by those that seek to cause us harm in the first place. everything that our government does is an international reflection on you and I. Especially in a so-called democratic society. The rank and file (you and I) are the ones that get to pay with their lives and security when our government officials that sit comfortably in a fortress call the shots. And now there's a campaign to limit the freedom of the press so that there's not as much accountability? I don't happen to believe that that is a good thing. So now we have limitations on the first, second, fourth, fifth, and tenth ammendments to the Bill of Rights of the United States of America. And for the quality of any intel, our inteligence community is not so inteligent: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41421398/ns/politics/
Source. Of course, politicians don't want their dirty laundry exposed. If a whistleblower is upsetting the status quo, they will discredit him by any means necessary.
