[JustinL]

Its kind of long, just wondering what other people think of this.

Think something like this isn't happening? Scary. It is happening as you read this.....

We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of American's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal - was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that "An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.' "

Here is how they do it," Lamm said: "First, to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country." History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: "The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy." Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans.".

Lamm went on: Second, to destroy America, "Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds."

Third, "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: "The apparent success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together." Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship, and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia, threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- >From many! , one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'Unum,' we will balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits; make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or xenophobe' halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said,. "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book.".

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically,quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America - take note of California and other states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."

Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream.



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[ivwshane]

I agree but if humans are ever going to evolve intelectually they will need to over come these individual (as in nations or races) unities and become one single world wide unity.

Some day we will get it right.

[superman]

i'm going to have to agree with what he said.

[mistawiskas]

I read that very article last year and the inplications have haunted me since. The lessons of history are undeniable and inescapable. To deny history, would be to do the same things and expect different results.....that's one definition of insanity. The world lives in such a state of denial that the human condition is doomed to failure. Plain and simple.

[Wedge_]

Originally Posted by ivwshane

I agree but if humans are ever going to evolve intelectually they will need to over come these individual (as in nations or races) unities and become one single world wide unity.

Some day we will get it right.

I really, really doubt that. Not without some sort of explicit artificial fix, like modifying our brains to suppress or remove whatever it is that causes us to act like we do.

[Eavanr]

I've been going to this board for a long time now. 2 years posting and maybe 3 years lurking. I've seen alot of things on the internet, and I am surprised everytime I come across something that offends me.

This offends me. This article's ignorance and zealotness offends me. It's factual inaccuracy offends me. It's rhetoric offends me. And the fact that it puts us fifty years behind offends me.

Lesson's of History
The governor talks about how history shows us that bicultural and multicultural societies cannot work. Multicultural societies cannot work.

"The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy."

Lipset is an incredible historian, and must be respected. Yet he would be mortified if his quote was used in this manner. Yes multicultural countries have their problems, and there are tensions. Is that to mean that unicultural countries do not?

America was a unicultural country in the 19th century. English Christian. White (except for those slaves). And they had one of the most bloody civil wars in history. Civil tensions, turmoil, disolving of states is not limited to domestic tensions caused by multiculturalism.

The exact same things can be said for the American Revolution, the French Revolution, the English Civil War, the Russian Revolution, the War of 1812, China's revolutions, Bosnia (some religious tensions), East - West Germany conflict

oh and the Greek example, one of the biggest lies of them all

He fails to mention The Peloponnesian War, when Athens and Sparta duked it out. Same race, same language, same religion.

The biggest and most absolute flaw in his argument is that multiculturalism and bilingualism

is not soley responsible for war
They might contribute, but the fracturing of the country that the governor is so worried about commonly happens without them.

Being of the same race, same language, and same religion does not gaurantee peace.

It is a curse to be a bilingual nation
Well I guess Canada is cursed. Cursed with higher standards of living, better educations systems, universal healthcare, an acutally growing economy, lower crime rate... well, I could go on but you get the idea.

Bilingualism is not a curse, and neither is multiculuturalism. Canada is the only country in the world where the government doctrine is multiculturalism and biligualism and it is doing great.

The same is with other countries. Sweden is multilingual, multicultural, and again one of the best places in the world to live.

Time for dinner, but this is just a beginning of the analysis. More is coming.

[log1c]

France faces a problem with a growing Muslim population. Remember the thousands of torched cars across the nation for many many weeks?? Oh yeah, the US media didn't cover it. Germany is having severe racial tensions with the Turks and they are also facing an umemployment rate, if i'm not mistaken, upwards of 10 or 11%. Spain has its own culture clash with the Morrocans and North Africans... just food for thought.

[randomtask]

Originally Posted by log1c

France faces a problem with a growing Muslim population. Remember the thousands of torched cars across the nation for many many weeks?? Oh yeah, the US media didn't cover it. Germany is having severe racial tensions with the Turks and they are also facing an umemployment rate, if i'm not mistaken, upwards of 10 or 11%. Spain has its own culture clash with the Morrocans and North Africans... just food for thought.

There were race riots in Sydney recently...

[ivanolo]

Eavanr, if that article offends you, then you probably didn't get it at all.

[CHEDaddy]

I'm not going to read all that, what are you, crazy?

I skimmed it, it means you are a homo.

[Griffin]

Originally Posted by CHEDaddy

I'm not going to read all that, what are you, crazy?

I skimmed it, it means you are a homo.

God arent we all so mature

[Eavanr]

Didn't get it? The article is full of shit, so obviously I didn't get it.

Here's the article's methodology applied:

I was in the library today, there was a an arab man sitting near me. There is no way we could reconcile our differences and co-exist peacefully.

He obviously should of been kicked out because we have different ethnic, racial, religious and linguistic backgrounds.

Then I should of gone on ethnic cleansing the rest of library.

France faces a problem with a growing Muslim population. Remember the thousands of torched cars across the nation for many many weeks?? Oh yeah, the US media didn't cover it. Germany is having severe racial tensions with the Turks and they are also facing an umemployment rate, if i'm not mistaken, upwards of 10 or 11%. Spain has its own culture clash with the Morrocans and North Africans... just food for thought.

I actually watched the muslim riots quite intently. The funny things was, it was not about the religion. It was about being stuck in the ghettos and being marginalized for three generations. But that concept too difficult to come to terms with so let's blame it on race.

By the, didn't you guys have a whole lot of civil unrest with the black's civil rights movement? What about student and vietnam protests? I mean these people do not fit in with the ideal type so why not purge them from the country?

Now continuing with the article:

'Hispanic Quebec'

Okay, firstly I'm going to take a shot and say this guy has no idea of the cultural complexities and the history of Quebec. From the plains of abraham to the FLQ the relationship dynamic of franco-anglo relations is consistently characterized by compromise and the gaurantee of cultural rights. In cases where things like language rights have bee threatened, opposition to federal government has been the strongest, such as unilateral patriation of the constitution.

Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school.

I would say that is more the fault of your education system (public system).

My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population

This is just vicious. I'm not going into why groups strive for recognition but for anyone interested in the topic I highly suggest Charles Taylor The Politics of Recognition

Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other

Well, Canada again is pretty diverse and I don't see us killing each other. Same for Western Europe. Australia. Wow, bullshit logic again.

This guy keeps of using the same principle, of correlation is causation. Anyone who has ever taking a scientific methodology course knows it is not.

Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits; make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or xenophobe' halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturism

The irony of this statement is that multiculturalism and multiple languages foster discussion and ideas. Different people dissemminate different ideas. But this is mainstream ignorant evidence, even shown by the president:

"The french don't know much about economic, they don't have a word for entrepreneur"

Entrepeneur is a french word, and french concept. Too bad we shouldn't have a plurality of thinking.

Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book.

See above point. What multicultural societies ban books? Wait minute, how many books have been banned in the United States? Ffs you guys banned To Kill A Mocking Bird.

American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America

Isn't that actually a problem with coroporations? I mean, your blaming people for wanting jobs.

immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream

Easy of the rhetoric there buddy, I already filled my bag of puke.

This article is trash and is reminiscient of aryanism. It uses correlation as cause, factual inaccuracy and is laden with hippocrisy.

So Ivanlo, explain to me what I didn't get, because I'd love to know.[/list]

[CHEDaddy]

Also ^these two are faggots from what I can tell. You asked my opinion.

[randomtask]

dude your having a midlife crisis \/

[CHEDaddy]

EDIT: What r you wearing?

[randomtask]

I should have pointed out I was talking to Eavanr the wise.

Edit: A tubesock. You?

[CHEDaddy]

I should have pointed out that the world revolves around ME.

[CHEDaddy]

Originally Posted by randomtask

I should have pointed out I was talking to Eavanr the wise.

Edit: A tubesock. You?

You have got to be kidding. I am the guy that used to buy and sell factory refurbished sex dolls on Ebay. My history includes using hookers with or without my girlfriends. I take cocaine and hooker holidays. The porn sites I frequent email me 12 hours before they change domains which is a couple times a week.

[ivanolo]

Ooh! =D> Look at you, college dude, using all those fancy words they taught you, like methodology, reconcile, co-exist, linguistic, marginalized, purge, unilateral, correlation, causation, disseminate, plurality, rhetoric, reminiscent, and hypocrisy. You must be really proud, eh? Yet you can't even spell "should've" and "you're" correctly, along with, like, 1/3 of the words you used and my nick.
Repeating everything you learn in class isn't impressive, you know? And--I don't know whether I'm taking what that guy said out of context--but it just seems like he was basically criticizing the current state of affairs here in the US. Perhaps it was too subtle for you to perceive it?

I'm going to take a shot and say this guy has no idea of the cultural complexities and the history of Quebec

Neither do I, but I know that over there the majority speaks French, and that the province has a history of separatism, which kinda goes along with what the guy said about having a bilingual society.

I would say that is more the fault of your education system

Is it really the fault of the US educational system that the fastest growing demographic group is represented by Mexican immigrants, most of whom come here illegally and are from a poor background?

Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book.

Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he's being sarcastic here.

The problem with corporations is that they've been given too much freedom to do as they please, with the excuse of a free market. That's why jobs are vanishing into the Third World. What do you think will happen if you tell the president of a company that he can save a huge chunk of money by hiring Anand, who'll work for $5 a week, instead of John Smith, who demands $400 a week plus benefits?

So, college dude:

I thank you.

[mistawiskas]

I believe the point of the article/speach was that, we as a nation, are adopting policies that are more geared towards causing separation as opposed to unity. great civilizations have fallen from within and it's happening here. the utopian melting pot is a great concept,but that is not what's happening. I have no problem at all with a person wanting a better life and wanting to find it here. I start having a problem when that person moves in and doesn't want to join the indiginous population but, instead,wants the country to change to fit their idea of the way things should be. I have a problem when tax dollars are forced to be spent to cater to ones that won't adapt to the land they seek refuge in. In the case of schools, money is spent to cater to non-english speaking students instead of being spent
to create additional classroom space and increase the quality of education. Poor teacher quality is not the only reason for the degradation of our education system.

All of this great nation's woes are not caused by imigration but there is an undeniable division that's growing in the nation. Freedom of ideas and exchange of ideas are great so long as there is none of the "my way or the highway" mentality that has begun to permiate the mindset of each diverse group.
As long a there's no tolerance for others, there'll be continued degradation of our society.
Even though we live nowhere near 'Perfect' I don't think we'll be able to get it at Walgreen's.