[OcTaNe91]

Vista's UAC security prompt was designed to annoy you

At the RSA 2008 confab in San Francisco, Microsoft admitted that UAC was designed, in fact, to annoy. Microsoft's David Cross came out and said so: "The reason we put UAC into the platform was to annoy users. I'm serious," said Cross.

[MSP]

[MaesterB]

One of the main reasons I didn't like Vista from the start, and in just the few times I've used it on other people's computers. It sucks and I won't be going to it anytime soon.

[SoulAssassin]

Originally Posted by MaesterB

One of the main reasons I didn't like Vista from the start, and in just the few times I've used it on other people's computers. It sucks and I won't be going to it anytime soon.

You *can* disable it. It takes about 30 seconds. I don't know why that would prevent you from using Vista. It works just fine despite all the BS Apple fanboy's talk about. I've had zero problems once the manufacturers started to catch up on drivers (around sept 07).

Vista's been out over a year and I STILL run into things that haven't been updated by the manufacturer to work with Vista...that's not an MS problem.

Originally Posted by OcTaNe91

Vista's UAC security prompt was designed to annoy you

I don't doubt that at all. It might actually teach someone (kids mainly) to read what the hell they're clicking on instead of trusting everything.

[Bear]

I'm all for learning about the newest computer hardware and software but I only touched Vista for a week or two and got rid of it. It has a pretty UI and all but I just can't stand some of the security features. Not to mention, it's a huge system hog. x64 XP is rock solid for me and others that use it.

[Jamsan]

I installed Vista about 2 weeks ago on my laptop and it runs smooth as butter. Granted, the video card isn't great in it, so Aero is disabled (which probably helps the performance quite a bit), but I've had no problems so far. I have had a few compability issues with older pieces of software, but again, that's not MS's fault (for the most part).

[j0k3r]

His comments were completely taken out of context. The goal was to make end users realize that they were about to give unadulterated access of their machine to an untrusted process. They wanted it to be in your face, I guess I can't expect much else from ars.

[Undertaker989]

Originally Posted by MSP

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[Undertaker989]

Originally Posted by j0k3r

His comments were completely taken out of context. The goal was to make end users realize that they were about to give unadulterated access of their machine to an untrusted process. They wanted it to be in your face, I guess I can't expect much else from ars.

Joker, I'm quickly developing the mindset that it really doesn't matter anymore about trying to protect end users. They don't want to be protected...they don't want to take the common sense necessary steps it takes to avoid trouble. If they can't meet us halfway, I don't feel bad telling them that its their own fault that their system is screwed up.

[SoulAssassin]

Originally Posted by Undertaker989

Joker, I'm quickly developing the mindset that it really doesn't matter anymore about trying to protect end users. They don't want to be protected...they don't want to take the common sense necessary steps it takes to avoid trouble. If they can't meet us halfway, I don't feel bad telling them that its their own fault that their system is screwed up.

You and Joker are right. Scrubbin posted a thread about people looking at porn at work. I see this shit all the time where employees download pr0n, malware, rogue AV and AS products, fake video codecs, BHO's related to adware, well you name it and they download it. Vista at least lets them know that something is up but if the user doesn't care then it doesn't matter if they're running Windows, Linux, Unix or OS X. if there's something to download - they'll do it regardless if it affects their system in a negative manner or not.

[Torx]

im all for UAC on elder's computers and those that dont know squat about using the internet, but hell if everyone i know ran vista i'd probably be losing $300 a month on "side-repairs", lol

but for people like me and us, it SHOULD be a 30 second tweak to get rid of... and stopping it shouldnt have any ill effects on the OS itself.

[Undertaker989]

Originally Posted by Torx

im all for UAC on elder's computers and those that dont know squat about using the internet, but hell if everyone i know ran vista i'd probably be losing $300 a month on "side-repairs", lol

but for people like me and us, it SHOULD be a 30 second tweak to get rid of... and stopping it shouldnt have any ill effects on the OS itself.

you know, you can actually turn some profit out of that. My parents tell their aquaintences/former co-workers that their son is a "Computer Guy" and I get calls for help sometimes. I charge them 50 bucks an hour, w/ no-charges for follow up phone troubleshooting or if it is something I can take care of in <10 min over the phone.

Sure, I'm not running a full blown business, but hell, non-taxable cash in hand from a friend of a friend for helping them out w/ their computer problems helps pay for the damn money-pit bars I unwillingly goto every weekend.

[SoulAssassin]

Originally Posted by Torx

im all for UAC on elder's computers and those that dont know squat about using the internet, but hell if everyone i know ran vista i'd probably be losing $300 a month on "side-repairs", lol

but for people like me and us, it SHOULD be a 30 second tweak to get rid of... and stopping it shouldnt have any ill effects on the OS itself.

Nah, you might make $300 more because the prompts become so annoying to users who want to get something done, i.e. look at porn, that they'll click through anything. I ran into a machine the other day where someone obviously googled "free antivirus" because it had so many rogue spyware apps that it took forever to uninstall everything.

[namelessentity]

With youporn, redtube, pornotube, youjizz, etc I don't understand how you could end up on those sites that give you malware.
If people get malware from porn I'm going to question what the fuck they're doing looking for child porn, because that's about all those sites can't offer you.

[mistawiskas]

whether or not it was designed (UAC) or not, it is/was anoying as hell. it took me all of five minutes to figure out how and turn that shit off. It totally makes the OS unusable and my only impression was: "WTF?"

[chapel]

I don't know why they didn't go the route that Apple has taken with security. OS X prompts you for a password for any actions that are administrator level. That might seem annoying, but it only comes up when you are doing something, and it doesn't keep popping up when you try to run an application you already approved. Then there is a new security measure that asks you if you want to run an app you downloaded, and gives you options to goto the website it was downloaded from and so on.

I'm not saying that everything Apple does is better security wise, but at least when compared to UAC it is less annoying and more functional. It keeps people that shouldn't be doing stuff on your computer from doing them.

[MSP]

I for one LOVE that my users are idiots and can't keep themselves out of trouble. It's job security for me!

I worked on the VPs wife's laptop, which was running Vista, and it was EATEN ALIVE with spyware and trojans. UAC was turned on, she had just idiotically conditioned herself to click it as fast as humanly possible to make it go away. And her account wasn't even administrative! She'd actually have to click twice - once to acknowledge that some mystery process was making changes to her OS, and a second time to confirm her husband's admin credentials. And this happened every few minutes...

[Undertaker989]

Originally Posted by MSP

I for one LOVE that my users are idiots and can't keep themselves out of trouble. It's job security for me!

I worked on the VPs wife's laptop, which was running Vista, and it was EATEN ALIVE with spyware and trojans. UAC was turned on, she had just idiotically conditioned herself to click it as fast as humanly possible to make it go away. And her account wasn't even administrative! She'd actually have to click twice - once to acknowledge that some mystery process was making changes to her OS, and a second time to confirm her husband's admin credentials. And this happened every few minutes...

did you ask the airhead bitch what was new with the soap operas? Who was breaking up with who and whatnot? Next time you have to clean her laptop, ask her the name of the diet she is on that week (LOL) and what magazine or Oprah episode she get it from.

[SoulAssassin]

Originally Posted by chapel

I don't know why they didn't go the route that Apple has taken with security. OS X prompts you for a password for any actions that are administrator level. That might seem annoying, but it only comes up when you are doing something, and it doesn't keep popping up when you try to run an application you already approved. Then there is a new security measure that asks you if you want to run an app you downloaded, and gives you options to goto the website it was downloaded from and so on.

I'm not saying that everything Apple does is better security wise, but at least when compared to UAC it is less annoying and more functional. It keeps people that shouldn't be doing stuff on your computer from doing them.

I'm pretty sure that Vista was supposed to be more like *nix/Apple with the WinFS filesystem but they didn't get it right and had to scrap it. Windows 7 may do that, I'm hoping, and also hopefully will end the registry.