[ivwshane]

Here are the summary for both of them and the links take you to the actual analysis with citations.

First up McCain:

• McCain claimed that Obama’s health care plan would "force small businesses to cut jobs" and would put "a bureaucrat ... between you and your doctor." In fact, the plan exempts small businesses, and those who have insurance now could keep the coverage they have.
  
  
• McCain attacked Obama for voting for "corporate welfare" for oil companies. In fact, the bill Obama voted for raised taxes on oil companies by $300 million over 11 years while providing $5.8 billion in subsidies for renewable energy, energy efficiency and alternative fuels.
  
  
• McCain said oil imports send "$700 billion a year to countries that don't like us very much." But the U.S. is on track to import a total of only $536 billion worth of oil at current prices, and close to a third of that comes from Canada, Mexico and the United Kingdom.
  
  
• He promised to increase use of "wind, tide [and] solar" energy, though his actual energy plan contains no new money for renewable energy. He has said elsewhere that renewable sources won’t produce as much as people think.
  
  
• He called for "reducing government spending and getting rid of failed programs," but as in the past failed to cite a single program that he would eliminate or reduce.
  
  
• He said Obama would "close" markets to trade. In fact, Obama, though he once said he wanted to "renegotiate" the North American Free Trade Agreement, now says he simply wants to try to strengthen environmental and labor provisions in it.

Next Obama:

• Obama said he could “pay for every dime” of his spending and tax cut proposals “by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens.” That’s wrong – his proposed tax increases on upper-income individuals are key components of paying for his program, as well. And his plan, like McCain’s, would leave the U.S. facing big budget deficits, according to independent experts.

• He twisted McCain’s words about Afghanistan, saying, “When John McCain said we could just 'muddle through' in Afghanistan, I argued for more resources.” Actually, McCain said in 2003 we “may” muddle through, and he recently also called for more troops there.
  
  
• He said McCain would fail to lower taxes for 100 million Americans while his own plan would cut taxes for 95 percent of “working” families. But an independent analysis puts the number who would see no benefit from McCain’s plan at 66 million and finds that Obama’s plan would benefit 81 percent of all households when retirees and those without children are figured in.

• Obama asked why McCain would "define middle-class as someone making under five million dollars a year"? Actually, McCain meant that comment as a joke, getting a laugh and following up by saying, "But seriously ..."

• Obama noted that McCain’s health care plan would "tax people’s benefits" but didn’t say that it also would provide up to a $5,000 tax credit for families.
  
  
• He said McCain, far from being a maverick who’s "broken with his party," has voted to support Bush policies 90 percent of the time. True enough, but by the same measure Obama has voted with fellow Democrats in the Senate 97 percent of the time.
  
  
• Obama said "average family income" went down $2,000 under Bush, which isn't correct. An aide said he was really talking only about "working" families and not retired couples. And – math teachers, please note – he meant median (or midpoint) and not really the mean or average. Median family income actually has inched up slightly under Bush.

FactCheck.org: FactChecking McCain
FactCheck.org: FactChecking Obama

[log1c]

nice post.

They of course both have to mix up their opponent's message to make the public distrust the other one.

[ivwshane]

I think the difference though is that McCain flat out lied where as Obama exaggerated the truth. I'm sure some will see no difference between lying and exaggerating but there is.

[TheDarkSeed]

The difference is one was dishonest about topic A and one wasn't completely honest about Topic A, B, C; and the first was only a little honest about B and flat out lied on C and D; but the second was marginally truthful about D.

U C?

But seriously? It's all about misdirection, stirring distrust of their opponent, and doing whatever it takes to get the big seat. In the end, whoever gets in isn't going to ignore the lobbyists and businessmen who got them there.

[ninefivezero]

Given the state of the world today, it is pretty amazing McCain isn't proposing ANY new funding for renewable energy. Gotta keep the money in the same old Republican-friendly hands I guess...

[MSP]

Pickens is a Republican.

[darktides]

A friend put it the best way I think, with this election its like we are getting the electric chari and our choices are AC or DC, either way we lose. I think Obama is pandering this "change", we all know that change for the sake of change isnt good. I do not support his socialist views on healthcare. McCain is old school I don't feel like he is bringing anythign new to the table either. The only benefit he has is Palin. I feel that she is a much better choice than Biden. But at any rate I am not sure of anything currently. I was registered Dem but I can't in good faith vote for Obama.

[mistawiskas]

Originally Posted by MSP

Pickens is a Republican.

And natural gas is a product of the oil corporations:
Natural Gas, Energy, Utility, Gas, Producer,Services, Power,Production Gathering Company
just take a gander at some of the corporations listed

So Pickens plan keeps money going to the same pockets as
petroleum. There are cleaner alternatives, but that won't happen
no matter who gets elected....there's just too much profit with
the current method of burning shit to make power.