[MSP]

Like the US, Iran has a ton of natural gas... Bomb the Persians!

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[Mr. Ali]

Yeah, they started this early last year. The main reason was that Iran has very little oil refining capacity so even though they have a lot of oil, they do not have a lot of gasoline. They wanted to cut down on gasoline imports as much as possible.

[XEN]

The Pickens Plan

If you didn't catch the whole thing, it's a damn good idea seeing as we have quite a lot of domestic natural gas reserves.

[MSP]

Hell yeah it is! I even started a thread about it, and lots of people kinda shit on it because the guy is 1) old and 2) rich. Shame on him for living the American dream and aging!

The Pickens Plan

[Jishory]

is that the guy who has commercials all the time?

[MSP]

Yeah, that's him. I'm currently sitting in a factory where they make gas chromatographs for the natural gas industry. I'm telling you, we should be exploiting this resource as quickly as possible. I get more giddy when I'm in the wind generator factory, but both sites get be riled up about Pickens idea.

[andrewwilliam]

I am new to this post and I am really impressing about this topic.

I get more giddy when I'm in the wind generator factory, but both sites get be riled up about Pickens idea.
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Andrew William

[Torx]

fuck pickens.

[mattdev]

I'm feeling pretty ambivalent about the Pickens Plan. It seems that he's made all of the money he needs, and now that he is doing something for the good of the country. The problem with natural gas is that it's just replacing one polluting, finite resource with another.

Also, it seems to me that the numbers on how much energy can come from wind is a bit exaggerated.

[Jackalope]

Originally Posted by Torx

fuck pickens.

I take it you are not really impressing about this topic?

[MSP]

Originally Posted by Torx

fuck pickens.

Still waiting for a reasonable alternative from you or anybody else. We can cram our thumbs up our asses and do nothing if you really prefer that.

[mistawiskas]

Originally Posted by MSP

Still waiting for a reasonable alternative from you or anybody else. We can cram our thumbs up our asses and do nothing if you really prefer that.

Not that it isn't a good idea. it will however forestall the developement of even better sollutions. I don't think I was putting pickens down. I was just saying that there's no way in hell, I believe he's doing anything out of
kindness to humanity. A billionaire doesn't spend money without a healthy return. if this guy was into helping humanity, he'd be putting funding into alternatives that do not involve rolling a car up to a LNG pump at an altered service station. Business as usual. Just a slightly different smell. i liken him to JP Morgan, who pulled the plug on financing one of the biggest intventors and geniouses that ever lived because he realized that the plan to better humanity wasn't going to make him billions of dollars.

[thadood]

Pickens’ Self-Serving Energy Plan | Dirt Diggers Digest
You may find this interesting.

[Jackalope]

and again...

Literature R Us—Alan Vanneman’s website

T. Boone Pickens' 'clean' secret - Los Angeles Times

The Washington Monthly

ckens wants to build his electricity transmission facilities on a strip of land 250 feet wide and 250 miles long that starts at his farm in Roberts County, Texas, and terminates in Dallas. Why that particular strip? Because Pickens has been buying up massive water rights from the Ogallala Aquifer and he wants to pipe that water to Dallas at huge profit.



Unfortunately, pipeline right-of-way is pretty hard to acquire, so Pickens figured out a way to get some help: he formed a little water district headed by his wife and a friend and then convinced the Texas legislature that water plus wind electricity was a good reason to use its power of eminent domain to hand over the land to him for a song. Wind power wasn't really the motivation for this land snatch, it was just a sweetener for a water deal.

Along with being the country's biggest wind power developer, Pickens owns Clean Energy Fuels Corp., a natural gas fueling station company that is the sole backer of the stealthy Proposition 10 on California's November ballot.

Prop. 10 would kick $5 billion in public money toward incentives to switch toward alternative fuels for trucks and automobilies, the likely biggest winner being natural gas.

So who else is for using our tax dollars to help this guy get richer, while only marginally improving our own lives. (but not the lives of the farmers and homeowners who will lose their land to eminent domain, of course)

[Miller]

natural gas pollutes far less that gasoline. i think its a great plan an am a big supporter of the old fart

[mistawiskas]

A person just does not get to be a billionair by philanthropy. at least not on this planet.
he is right about a "bridge" to the future. Income for hins corp to figure out how to make billions off of the technology already patented and bought up. Aternative energy is not new. people do not understand that, Electricity producing fuel cells have been around and in use by NASA since the 60's. Tesla had free energy patents back in the 1830's, meyers patents of the 70's, solar since the 50's and wind since the midevil times. A "bridge", my ass!

[MSP]

It's an imperfect plan, and Pickens will make money. But I'm still waiting for an alternative plan. Whoever provides solution is going to make a profit, get over it.

[tictac]

Originally Posted by mistawiskas

A person just does not get to be a billionair by philanthropy. at least not on this planet.
he is right about a "bridge" to the future. Income for hins corp to figure out how to make billions off of the technology already patented and bought up. Aternative energy is not new. people do not understand that, Electricity producing fuel cells have been around and in use by NASA since the 60's. Tesla had free energy patents back in the 1830's, Mweyers patents of the 70's, solar since the 50's and wind since the midevil times. A "bridge", my ass!

How much technology that we use that is vital to our lives or saves lives every day was developed by million/billionaires? This plan COULD help us in a BIG way, but it will never take off because many people will freak out just because he is a billionaire. Not saying the plan is perfect, but it's nice to see someone actually coming up with ideas.

[mistawiskas]

Motives, it's about motives. The same motives that keeps us where we are, the same motives that got us here. you don't see any billionairs promoting hydrolyzing fuelcells or hydrogen on demand do you? You don't even see them promoting electrics, or compressed air autos, and you never will, you'll only see them promoting fuel sources that can be put in a storage tank and hooked up to a meter that tells you how much they get to make on doing so. Same ol' pile of shit, just a slightly different smell. Look at it this way, the rich concider this planet more thier's than your's. They take pieces of it and charge you the part of your life you trade for money. They call thier own shots on how rich they will become off of your time on earth. Energy should be free or at least non-profit. It's part of a planet you were born on and have every bit as much right to as anyone. In reality, nobody "owns" anything, unless you can take it with you into the next whatever. I'm starting to think everyone is addicted to being ripped off.

[tictac]

He's actually the ONLY billionaire I see promoting any kind of alternative. The technology is already mature enough to be used in mass, and is already being used. You can't say that about any other kind of alternate fueled car, save ethanol, and CNG burns cleaner anyway. We can't just abandon our internal combustion engines in ten years time, the technology has to mature for that to be feasible.

Not once does he say we should ditch oil and use natural gas from now on. He is promoting this to be a stop gap measure until we can mature even better technology. I sure hope he makes a profit from this, because then others will follow. When the next fuel is ready to replace CNG, will you condemn that, too? I can guarantee you there will be a billionaire or a multi-billion dollar company behind it no matter what it is, and it will make certain people very very rich indeed.

Edit:
I feel I should clarify my stance. I don't consider this a cure-all measure by any means. I see this plan as a way to start moving away from oil and toward cleaner, cheaper, safer fuels in the future. We aren't going to solve our energy problems with one swing. It will take steps, and this could be one of those steps. Anything that takes even a small percent of drivers away from oil could possibly be a huge benefit, and I don't think "he's a billionaire" is a good enough reason not to look into it. There are about 100k CNG cars on the road as we type. Honda makes a CNG car already. What other reason, other than he has billions of dollars, do you have to not look into something that could help us on our way to energy independance?