[superman]

Sorry about my language, but this shit pisses me off so much.
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[j0k3r]

A negligent homicide charge will land you in jail for quite a long time.

[MSP]

It sucks, but in a way natural selection worked. Their DNA is now out of play. Gene pool FTW!

Let's pray for criminal charges.

[mistawiskas]

Religeon is nothing more than mind control. I'll bet they are even believing that it was gawd's will that the kid died. It has become one big excuse after another.

[Bear]

My philosophy teacher talked about this today in a lecture. They deserve to be held fully responsible...ridiculous.

[James K]

"The mother believes the girl could still be resurrected, the police chief said."

Haha wtf is this shit. Did they think she was Jesus or something?
And they have more kids that aren't being taken away from them. Seriously.

[superman]

Originally Posted by MSP

It sucks, but in a way natural selection worked. Their DNA is now out of play. Gene pool FTW!

The little girl was 11.

[MSP]

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, it's fucking tragic. I've got two daughters and it just makes my heart hurt. I'm just saying that odds were she would have grown up to be a religious nut as well, and the gene pool ultimately wins. One let uterus squirting out wackos the better, in terms of species survival.

[superman]

Originally Posted by MSP

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, it's fucking tragic. I've got two daughters and it just makes my heart hurt. I'm just saying that odds were she would have grown up to be a religious nut as well, and the gene pool ultimately wins. One let uterus squirting out wackos the better, in terms of species survival.

C'mon MSP, that's kind of a crazy thing to say. The girl's life was cut short, who knows what she could have been.

[integra00]

Originally Posted by superman

C'mon MSP, that's kind of a crazy thing to say. The girl's life was cut short, who knows what she could have been.

i agree with msp, although it is damn tragic

[MSP]

It sucks, is tragic, all that jazz. I'm just saying that stupid is what stupid does, and the offspring of stupid generally does the same. It's in their DNA, they've learned it since birth, etc. It's what natural selection is all about. And frankly it doesn't work enough these days if you ask me. Just watch TV or walk down the sidewalk and you'll see shit that shouldn't be perpetuating DNA.

[mistawiskas]

It's a hard way to look at it, but the population has ignored the simple truth of what MSP state for way to long. Religeous whackos are the result of one of twio things: A) psychosis, or B) being bred into a religeon. With each passing generation's brainwashing, the zeal and fanatism increases. a person just doesn't wake up one day and find themselves saying: "I don't believe gawd wants me to take my dying kid to the hospital". They come to that conclusion after generations of beleif. I don't go to doctors unless i'm in so much pain that it'd knock most people out and I don't go for every little thing. But you can bet, that if my wife ore kids were sick, they'd be in to see the ER or doctor. The same can be said about just plain mean rotten families.
They're not born that way, they're born into it. Have you ever met a whole family that was just plain bad to the bone?

[ivanolo]

Same thing as those two vegans who starved their baby to death because the mom wouldn't breast feed. It's just plain ignorance, brought about, in this case, by religion.

[Torx]

down with religion!!!

i really dont wanna get started on this, too lazy right now to go on a rant.

[mistawiskas]

Religeon was developed and deployed by antient guvs to control, confuse and
blind the masses to what's really going on. The best of smokescrenes IMO.
What better way to divide and conquer? Don't get me wrong, there is a huge difference between spirituallity and religeon. You want a good example of spirituallity? A wise 30 year old human, destitute, not living by the rules of aquisition of the time, stood on the side of a hill in Galilee and gave a talk on
how to live in peace within one's self and in harmony with everything. (they were great words put into practice by the one speaking them)
if you be a member of a denominational entity, read those words in your texts and see just exactly how well your organization adheres to the words of the first elder and founder of your faith. Some may be as surprised as I was.

[ATIzed]

Well it says in the story they don't attend an organized church or participate in organized religion. I heard a report on the local news radio and the mother claimed they did not know the daughter was as sick as she was and that they are not "religious nuts." Sometimes I feel like the media plays up certain angles and I wonder how accurate stories are. The police will hopefully sort it out one way or another.

[wheezer]

I don't know why this is such a big deal....really.

This has been going on for eons. it goes on right now as we speak.

When was the last time you saw an Amish kid at the hospital for leukemia treatment? Me, I have never seen an Amish person in any hospital at any time, so how do you suppose they treat critically ill people in their congregation....including children?

The so called anti religious crowd LOVES to talk about Darwin, natural selection and survival of the fittest....well this is it in action.....don't like it? Too bad...that's life...get used to it or get out.

How many innocent babies are killed each year because of some idiot getting hammered and then behind the wheel of a car?...."awww....thats too bad....what a shame.....people really need to stop drinking and driving."

It happens so often, it does not even phase anyone anymore.

But a story like this....well, HOLY FUCKING COW!!!......BURN THE MOTHER FUCKERS!!!!

sad really......we find it to be more acceptable for an innocent child to die one way than we do another.....what's wrong with this picture?

[superman]

Wheezer, your perception of what the world is like is what's really wrong with the world.

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by superman

Wheezer, your perception of what the world is like is what's really wrong with the world.

No, I see where he's coming from. This debate about whether it is ethical or not to withhold medical attention to a minor who has not developed their own religious beliefs is a tough one. However, it is in our blood to follow in the steps of our parents or guardians. A son of a scientist is more likely to be introduced to science earlier than a son of a businessman. The parents of this child should have the right to control what people give their children. However, it is a fine line that you walk with this. The parents are not unlike a vast majority of colonist's that formed this country. It took a long time for medical science to become accepted and now it is unquestionable. Some people are still stuck in the past. Who are we to say they're wrong? That would be saying that the basis of our earlier understanding was wrong, and that would make anything that came from that, invalid (this is really strawman and I don't believe it- I just figured it would spark someones brain). I personally wish the child had received treatment, but is it ethical to make parents do something to their child that they strongly believe is wrong?

What wheezer was trying to say was that everyday parents let their kids do things that are bad for them. They put their children in danger and no one says a thing. Parents let kids live off of fast food and do whatever they want, but as soon as you bring religion into the picture, everything changes. Religion is a very touchy subject for a lot of people and most don't like to talk about it. Lately, religion has been the scapegoat for a lot of problems going on in the world. Religion is just a philosophy, though, and should not be to blame. It is the people who manipulate the followers and use it to their advantage are whats wrong with religion. Christianity is inherently peaceful and loving but the majority of feelings most people get from the Christian crowd are of fire and brimstone and how GOD HATES FAGS! This is not how it should be.

In the next couple hundred years, I feel as though religion is going to take an interesting turn. It is going to have to reinvent itself to adapt with our growing technological culture and the progressive ideas that come with it. It will either disappear completely, become extremely fundamental(which would lead to the previous result), or become super liberal to the point where they have no definite stand on anything. In any case, however, religion will be replaced by something else to comfort us about the unknown. There will always be the need for something like that, a reassurance, that after death there is something else.

Anywho, don't hate the religion, hate the believer (playa).

[wheezer]

Originally Posted by superman

Wheezer, your perception of what the world is like is what's really wrong with the world.

really?...if I recall the title of this thread by YOU is something like:

"I've had it with religious wacko fuck bags"

which shows 2 things immediately.

#1- you *might* be a religious person you might not but in either case those that do not subscribe to your beliefs or lack of are immediately cast into a certain class. In this case they are classified as "fuck bags"....now that connotation seems a bit on the negative side.


#2- You proceed to pass judgment on someone you know nothing about. You only know about this story because it was on the news, and you only heard what they wanted you to hear. But as I stated, this goes on all the time...it always has and always will.


In you insignificant opinion you think these people should be held accountable because their religious beliefs cost someone a life. Do you believe in a womans right to have an abortion? If you do then please explain to me how you can justify abortion and yet this is unjustifiable.

They are opposite sides of the same coin.

Just because you do not agree with this belief system who are you to say what is right and what is not? If a law was passed that said that this action was illegal is that not infringing on ones religious beliefs? Correct me if I am wrong, but one of the corner stones of this nation is "freedom of religion"....there is no declaration of what religion is acceptable and what is not.


If you are not religious and follow the path of science, and beleive in natural selection, then this is an example of it...there is no book that says HOW natural selection happens in our race, ...is there?

I do not agree with this situation, but then again I don't like a lot of things about a lot of people and it will never change and people will always continue to be people and make choices that I personally find ignorant and stupid, but there is nothing I can do about it nor should I always do something about it.

YOUR attitude about someone else's beliefs is PART of what is wrong with this country...keep your nose out of it and mind your own......if people would just mind their own fucking business half the time instead of worrying about the guy next door and consistently passing judgment on others this country would be a lot better off.....but then again that goes against human nature, and most people are too lazy to fight their nature.

Coleman: good point about the fast food although I have thought that for a long time about parents, I did not apply it to this situation......good analogy.

[MSP]

I gotta go with Superman on this one. Individual rights, freedom of worship, etc has to take a backseat to the welfare of a child. Assuming the story is true as presented, then yeah, I'm judging them. Idiots...