[Tacdriver]

Thanks for fixing the link. Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups but I think it's safe to say that in this case........yes. Nuclear Power=Nuclear Weapons.

[MSP]

Again, history will judge the administration. But you can't argue with how they are handling Iraq at the moment. Maybe the covert operations going on in Iran are part of the reason Iraq has become so stable? Jah knows the Iranians have been doing plenty of meddling of their own, so I don't mind giving it back to them a little.

[ivwshane]

I'm just curious as to what your sources are that say iran is supplying arms to iraqi insurgents? The last thing I read said that said weapons found after defeating some insurgents were from iran and it was proven to be false.

IRAQ: The elusive Iranian weapons | Babylon & Beyond | Los Angeles Times

Tac, your hatred for anyone who dislikes bush or this administration is severely clouding your ability to use logic.

Originally Posted by Tacdriver

Thanks for fixing the link. Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups but I think it's safe to say that in this case........yes. Nuclear Power=Nuclear Weapons.

Was that the same assumption you used when Bush made the argument to go into iraq?

[ivwshane]

Originally Posted by MSP

Again, history will judge the administration. But you can't argue with how they are handling Iraq at the moment. Maybe the covert operations going on in Iran are part of the reason Iraq has become more stable? Jah knows the Iranians have been doing plenty of meddling of their own, so I don't mind giving it back to them a little.

Fixed

More stable ≠ stable

[demonizeZ]

i was talking to some of my friends they said some thing interesting. Any one ever wonder who is the world larges weapons exporting nation on this planet. then ask your self this question how do you increase the demand for weapons sale. WAR comes to mind. So weather its legit war or not as long there is war arms sale will go up and up. Country that sit on top in the list will make most profit from it.

[ivwshane]

Stuff like this ought to at least temporarily halt some assumptions on the matter:

washingtonpost.com

[Juballharshaw]

Originally Posted by demonizeZ

i was talking to some of my friends they said some thing interesting. Any one ever wonder who is the world larges weapons exporting nation on this planet. then ask your self this question how do you increase the demand for weapons sale. WAR comes to mind. So weather its legit war or not as long there is war arms sale will go up and up. Country that sit on top in the list will make most profit from it.

It is and has long been the US with Russia catching up quickly (again). Though kudos for cracking the secret we've been keeping for years.

[jake]

Actually I think the UK was the biggest arms dealer last year with the US in second. Im pretty sure I read that in the paper last week.

Here it is.

[MSP]

Those sneaky Brits!

[JustinL]

Originally Posted by demonizeZ

You actually prove my point i am assuming you are not from USA. If they offer you H-1B visa as for people who don't know what that is here : (It allows U.S. employers to employ foreign guest workers skilled in specialty occupations only when qualified U.S. citizens or residents are not available). That was my point. I was strictly talking about kids from our own country. The company getting people from out side rather then using kids that are of same qualification who are from our own country. Please don't think i am bashing foreign workers. All i am saying kids from our own country should get priority before they look outside.

According to my grandmother, my ancestors came over on the Mayflower. That is about as far back American as you can with out being an Indian. Also, you just cut/pasted from Wikipedia, don't act like you knew all about the H1B visa before hand.


The ONLY reason employers are looking for more H1B Visas is because there are not educated people to fill their positions. There is no way some one fresh out of high school or with a community college degree in drafting can do any where near as good a job as someone with a full 4 year degree.

foreign guest workers skilled in specialty occupations only when qualified U.S. citizens or residents are not available

I do not remember the exact numbers, but the number of graduating US engineers are going down while the number of open positions are going up. My school, at around 2004, has something like a 97% hire rate with in 6 months of graduating.

Originally Posted by demonizeZ

consider that its not easy for some one with new family to move family to completely new place just because there is job opening. And lots of people are not well educated... with job cuts and soo many unemployed most of em just cant apply for those level of job you talking about. back in days people with no Collage degree were doing fine. The way things are they are not doing well now, and with family and 1000 other problems that comes with it its not easy to start collage education for them. In one of Tacdrive post he said some thing very important "If you made a bad decision in your life that's caused you to not have the time to further your education..........how is that the government's fault?" the answer is obvious its not govt fault. but it is govt fault when cost of life is soo high it costing arm and leg (figuratively speaking). That is GOVT fault to allow the economy to be soo bad that some people have to choose between there pride and meal.

Man, you are another person wanting to live in a Nanny state where the gov't takes care of everything. The sole job of the government should be:
1: education
2: defense
3: treasury

It should be in that order. Priority number 1 should be education. The number of kids dropping out of school is a problem. It is not, however, the governments problem. Parents seem to rely more and more on teachers, tvs, games, candy, etc to raise their child then themselves. How many times have you seen a kid crying and the mom gives him a Gameboy/PSP or a piece of candy to shut him up? The PEOPLE need to step up and solve their own problems (right now one of them being the government itself).

I believe we should have an extensive DEFENSE network. None of this preemptive strike BS. We should try and remain isolated politically as much as possible from other countries. I do not see any downsides to cooperation with other nations on projects like the International Space Station.

The only part the government should have in money is printing and minting. Instead of this BS borrowing money thing we are doing now, we should go back to the gold standard.

As a side note, I think government programs like NASA are a great idea. How many of people here have been inspired by something NASA has done? I know it is one of the main reasons I am an engineer.






I have to think that if we hurry up and tie up our loose ends, we should go back to a completely neutral nation.

[bbsmitz]

Originally Posted by Tacdriver

I'm going to just have to go ahead and disagree with you yet again and stand by my original point. When a new administration comes in to play everyone practically is replaced. The entire White Staff and counsel, The Joint Chiefs, the heads of various agencies such as FEMA, DOHS, CIA, FBI, NSA, DOD......etc. All of these new people have agendas and not all coincide with the President. It's all new politics and red tape. Did you read about what's been going on in Pakistan? Bush has been hunting for Bin Laden for 7 years and now an article comes out stating that the afore mentioned agencies still can't or won't work together in trying to find him? You honestly think that Obama or Mccain will make a difference?

Bush has been hunting for Bin Laden for 7 years? Bush really looked for Bin Laden for roughly a year before he invaded Iraq. Look at the current situation in Afghanistan; the Taliban is heavily resurgent and is regaining control of parts of the country. Attacks on NATO forces are increasing, and monthly casualties are now exceeding those in Iraq. Do you honestly think if the US had kept its focus on this region we'd have one tenth of the problems that we do now, or that we'd still be looking for Bin Laden? The US currently has about 23000 troops in Afghanistan, and 7 times that number in Iraq. Wanna tell me why? On to part 2 of my rant...

People such as yourself, so blinded by hate for President Bush for whatever reason of the day, don't understand or wont acknowledge that this war has been going well. A necessary war in fact and even more necessary to the security of our country in 09 because of the new Al-Qaeda infrastructure that's taken a strong foothold in Pakistan.

What necessary war? What the fuck are we doing in Iraq? No WMD's, no link to Al-Qaeda. Why didn't we maintain the focus on Afghanistan? Instead, we've gotten ourselves into a quagmire, have created a generation of islamic youth who hate us, and have bankrupted our goddamn government. When all of those T-Bonds we've floated to finance this war come home to roost we are fucked.

I think despite being at completely opposite ends of the politic spectrum we're in violent disagreement at least on one point. I also think that we need to focus on Pakistan and Afghanistan, but have pissed away via Iraq any legitimacy we had to do so.

Lastly, my hatred of Bush comes from how he's mortgaged this country's safety (do you honestly think we have less enemies now than we before this whole shit show?) for an unattainable and idiotic neo-con agenda. How he's taken a budget surplus and turned it into a massive deficit. How he's spent billions on complete futility. How he's taken the what was the general goodwill of the planet and flushed it down the toilet. How the war that he (he's the "decider" remember?) sanctioned and ordered has claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands of civilians, and over 4,000 american soldiers. And what the fuck have we gotten from Iraq in return? New American century my ass.

Edit: Insofar as the visa/foreign worker thing. I'm not sure on the employment situation, but my dad's a physics professor, and he's having a hell of a time getting grad students who are worth a damn from the American system. The majority of my dad's group is made up of foreign students, and those who are native are generally first generation.

[MSP]

Originally Posted by JustinL

The sole job of the government should be:
1: education
2: defense
3: treasury

It should be in that order. Priority number 1 should be education. The number of kids dropping out of school is a problem. It is not, however, the governments problem. Parents seem to rely more and more on teachers, tvs, games, candy, etc to raise their child then themselves. How many times have you seen a kid crying and the mom gives him a Gameboy/PSP or a piece of candy to shut him up? The PEOPLE need to step up and solve their own problems (right now one of them being the government itself).

I believe we should have an extensive DEFENSE network. None of this preemptive strike BS. We should try and remain isolated politically as much as possible from other countries. I do not see any downsides to cooperation with other nations on projects like the International Space Station.

The only part the government should have in money is printing and minting. Instead of this BS borrowing money thing we are doing now, we should go back to the gold standard.

As a side note, I think government programs like NASA are a great idea. How many of people here have been inspired by something NASA has done? I know it is one of the main reasons I am an engineer.



I have to think that if we hurry up and tie up our loose ends, we should go back to a completely neutral nation.

This section is post gold. I don't think we should completely isolate ourselves politically, but otherwise I agree 100%.

[ThatHideousStrength]

Originally Posted by ivwshane

I'm just curious as to what your sources are that say iran is supplying arms to iraqi insurgents? The last thing I read said that said weapons found after defeating some insurgents were from iran and it was proven to be false.

IRAQ: The elusive Iranian weapons | Babylon & Beyond | Los Angeles Times

Tac, your hatred for anyone who dislikes bush or this administration is severely clouding your ability to use logic.




Was that the same assumption you used when Bush made the argument to go into iraq?

Most of the weapons that Iraq "got" was simply their own. Once Iraq's army was disbanded, everyone went for the weapon deposits that were sprouted throughout Iraq.

[Juballharshaw]

Originally Posted by jake

Actually I think the UK was the biggest arms dealer last year with the US in second. Im pretty sure I read that in the paper last week.

Here it is.

Lies!

[j0k3r]

Okay, so I was going to make a joke and post a picture of a hairy middle eastern woman, but Google image search was messing with my head. Turn off safe search and search for "hairy" in Google images. That is totally NSFW btw.

[mistawiskas]

Originally Posted by Tacdriver

....Last but not least, If you made a bad decision in your life that's caused you to not have the time to further your education..........how is that the government's fault? We can't all be movie and rock stars either but does that mean that The U.S. has to make up for your lack of talent by ensuring you have a high paying job? God I hope that's not where some of you are coming from.

How in the heck did what I say spark this outburst? I do not blame any government for my bad decisions and especially expect THEM to pay. On the same token, I do not expect to pay for thier or any other entitiy's bad decisions....now do you see where I'm coming from? BTW, if you totally agree, as is evident by your stance, with the way everything is being run, i'll turn my tax burden over to you. Then maybe I can pay my bills and live as well as you seem to be.

[jake]

Ha that pic is great.

[SoulAssassin]

Bush has been hunting for Bin Laden for 7 years? Bush really looked for Bin Laden for roughly a year before he invaded Iraq. Look at the current situation in Afghanistan; the Taliban is heavily resurgent and is regaining control of parts of the country. Attacks on NATO forces are increasing, and monthly casualties are now exceeding those in Iraq. Do you honestly think if the US had kept its focus on this region we'd have one tenth of the problems that we do now, or that we'd still be looking for Bin Laden? The US currently has about 23000 troops in Afghanistan, and 7 times that number in Iraq. Wanna tell me why?

Hell I dunno, ask Clinton what he thinks.

[ninefivezero]

Originally Posted by Mr. Ali

Iranians have always been hairy.

Best comment of the thread.

I knew one who had what we called a "sweater vest".

[ivwshane]

Originally Posted by SoulAssassin

Hell I dunno, ask Clinton what he thinks.

He probably thinks that had the witch hunt for him not been going on he would have been able to get the job done as opposed to getting crap from the republicans who called it a political move.