[krod]

Originally Posted by jman2439

It is not the advice I'd be worried about. This pastor influenced him for years and years. The fact that he kept going to that church DOES say something about Obama. I didn't like what my pastor said, so I switched churches. I had no intention of exposing my kids to his message, which was not nearly as offensive or radical as Obama's pastor.

Hey, besides politics, what's your interest in this site?

[obamasupporter]

Originally Posted by ivwshane

Can I ask where did you come from? As in are you an obama campaigner? Is there a team of you scouring the internet for these types of posts and responding?
I noticed that no one has yet to counter with any attacks on the opposition, is this a rule that's come down from the top?

I am not sure why it matters where I came from - as everyone has a right to speak according the 1st amendment. The comment I responded to is linked to the CNN website (Controversial minister off Obama's campaign - CNN.com) ~ it doesn't take a genesis to open a webpage and read current posts, but hey I take it as a compliment ~ thank you

I can only hope that my statement(s) will encourage you and all else that we really should be looking at what is TRUTH and then doing what is right based on the TRUTH.

The TRUTH will set you (us) Free!

[Jackalope]

The TRUTH will set you (us) Free!

good luck finding that in America (or anywhere else for that matter)

Vote Ron Paul!

[ivwshane]

Originally Posted by jman2439

It has been widely reported that neither candidate has the votes to capture the nomination outright...and that the super deligates will have to decide. So I'm not sure how you think it is over.

lol

She would need to win each remaining state by at least 60% to win, how many states has she won with that kind of lead?

Sure super delegates could help but if obama wins the delegate vote and the popular vote (both of which are very possible, considering he has the lead in both now) how likely would it be for super delegates to go against the peoples will? Unless democrats would rather commit suicide rather than nominate obama, it's pretty unlikely that they would go against the "grain".

[ivwshane]

Originally Posted by obamasupporter

I am not sure why it matters where I came from - as everyone has a right to speak according the 1st amendment. The comment I responded to is linked to the CNN website (Controversial minister off Obama's campaign - CNN.com) ~ it doesn't take a genesis to open a webpage and read current posts, but hey I take it as a compliment ~ thank you

I can only hope that my statement(s) will encourage you and all else that we really should be looking at what is TRUTH and then doing what is right based on the TRUTH.

The TRUTH will set you (us) Free!

Holy sh!t I can't believe a tech site was linked! Thats crazy!


As you can tell I was surprised to see a tweak3d post in the comments so I was not aware of how you found this site.

That being said, would you mind posting your reasons for voting for obama versus the other candidates?

[Jackalope]

holy crap that's crazy. I think I will be more careful what titles I use in news threads from now on, lest people get the wrong idea of what this place is about.

[jman2439]

Originally Posted by ivwshane

What does it say?

Is obama going to come out when becomes president and say, "Ha ha! kill whitey!".

Exactly what could he possibly do to hurt america more than it has been hurt already?

Kill Whitey...that's funny...

To answer your question...a lot. You'd be putting him in charge of the most powerful nation in the world. All I'm saying is that he's influenced by this and you could make a solid argument that he did not have any real problem with what the pastor said. Your set of beliefs matter when it comes to policy decisions.

In reality, my biggst concern comes with his lack of experience and that fact that he speaks mostly about hope and change...like no other politician has ever said that. Perhaps it is posible to dig up clips of Bush when he ran against Gore. That was his message and look how well he did.

[Jackalope]

peaks mostly about hope and change...like no other politician has ever said that. Perhaps it is posible to dig up clips of Bush when he ran against Gore. That was his message and look how well he did.

well, in his defense he did make alot of changes. And he has created hope. The hope that we'll get someone better in office to fix his shit!

[tweakmonkey]

Originally Posted by Jackalope

holy crap that's crazy. I think I will be more careful what titles I use in news threads from now on, lest people get the wrong idea of what this place is about.

I wish I knew what OT was about!

BTW I'm wearing my T3D shirt complete with timeline on the back today. Actually I wear my T3D shirts almost every day. Coming soon to a store near you.

[jman2439]

Originally Posted by ivwshane

lol

She would need to win each remaining state by at least 60% to win, how many states has she won with that kind of lead?

Sure super delegates could help but if obama wins the delegate vote and the popular vote (both of which are very possible, considering he has the lead in both now) how likely would it be for super delegates to go against the peoples will? Unless democrats would rather commit suicide rather than nominate obama, it's pretty unlikely that they would go against the "grain".

They won't have to go against the will of the people if the opinion of the people changes. If he falls out of favor, then that part will be easy. If they feel Obama has lost the moderates based on this issue and he can no longer defeat McCain, then it will be easy for them to vote that way.

[tweakmonkey]

Originally Posted by jman2439

In reality, my biggst concern comes with his lack of experience and that fact that he speaks mostly about hope and change...like no other politician has ever said that. Perhaps it is posible to dig up clips of Bush when he ran against Gore. That was his message and look how well he did.

Pfft, experience... the one thing Bush and his crew does have. As for talking about hope and change...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGW38Zy4bJo

The thing I like about Obama is his solutions use really cool stuff like science, logic and reason. If you have any doubts about this, check the Google Tech Talks where he's asked challenging questions by the smartest guys around.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nnj7r1wCD4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fgOkh9euBs

I especially liked his answers about privacy and what he had to say about net neutrality. He doesn't think our government should be able to read our emails.To fix complicated problems he wants to have open-discussions and even broadcast the talks on the Internet. It's not really a revolutionary idea, but it sure is beyond what Clinton's been preaching.

He's the most in-touch with my generation, as a webmaster and tech goon in my 20s. How can one expect a 70-year old POW to understand a damn thing about our generation, whose lives are wrapped around technology, or the ones that will likely be hurt or benefit from those that follow? They won't even be alive to see the results of many of their policies.

[Jackalope]

Originally Posted by tweakmonkey

I wish I knew what OT was about!

BTW I'm wearing my T3D shirt complete with timeline on the back today. Actually I wear my T3D shirts almost every day. Coming soon to a store near you.

no no, I meant not nameing news threwad like "Holy fucking shit midgets!" or somethign that could be misconstrued as inappropriate so as to give the site a bad name

[jman2439]

Originally Posted by krod

Hey, besides politics, what's your interest in this site?

Just politics...I think it is unfortunate how the wrong decision has been made in most of the recent elections. Makes me wonder of democracy works at all...when everyone gets the same vote...whether you're the village idiot of a Rodes scholar. A bunch of the village idiots say "that Bush fella said he's goin' to solve our problems" and they vote him in. The best candidate we have is the no-name guy (Ron Paul) on the republican side. He seems to really get it when it comes to america's role in the world and some of the problems that have been caused.

[ivwshane]

Originally Posted by jman2439

In reality, my biggst concern comes with his lack of experience and that fact that he speaks mostly about hope and change...like no other politician has ever said that. Perhaps it is posible to dig up clips of Bush when he ran against Gore. That was his message and look how well he did.

If experience means knowing how to push through legislation that benefits big businesses and making sure your friends get a piece of the action or knowing how to get away with corruption and other scandals I'll pass. If experience means showing loyalty only to your party and creating an atmosphere where compromise isn't an option I'll pass. If experience means being content with status quo and not pushing america to be held to higher standards or at the very least holding america to the same standards we require of other countries, I'll pass. If experience means to be short sided and not see the big picture then I say if it's broke, fix it! It's time to get rid of experience and let the unexperienced try

[ivwshane]

Originally Posted by jman2439

Just politics...I think it is unfortunate how the wrong decision has been made in most of the recent elections. Makes me wonder of democracy works at all...when everyone gets the same vote...whether you're the village idiot of a Rodes scholar. A bunch of the village idiots say "that Bush fella said he's goin' to solve our problems" and they vote him in. The best candidate we have is the no-name guy (Ron Paul) on the republican side. He seems to really get it when it comes to america's role in the world and some of the problems that have been caused.

I agree and disagree. If anyone did any kind of research on bush and his past they would have easily seen that he was not qualified in any way.

I do believe that ron paul was the best candidate because I felt he truly understood whats at stake and whats need to change the direction we are in. I think obama understands as well but not to the same degree, however one area I think obama has an edge on RP is his ability to bring together people across political lines (something RP was not able to do. Hell his own party laughed at him).

Hillary is too focused on health care to see how other issues play into the overall big picture and I get the impression that other issues will take a back seat but the one thing she does lack is the ability to bring people together across party lines.

As for mccain, he has been in the system too long and isn't willing to challenge the system let alone change it. He also lacks the understanding of the bigger picture, whether it be the economy, health care, or foreign policy. That and I could never vote for a guy that doesn't understand the economy or at least the basics like inflation or how interest rates work.

[jman2439]

Originally Posted by tweakmonkey

He's the most in-touch with my generation, as a webmaster and tech goon in my 20s. How can one expect a 70-year old POW to understand a damn thing about our generation, whose lives are wrapped around technology, or the ones that will likely be hurt or benefit from those that follow? They won't even be alive to see the results of many of their policies.

This part of your post says a lot. I don't think many in their 20's recognize the value of experience. I listened to part of the clips you posted. I heard a lot about bringing sides together...changing Washington...etc.

Yeah he answered some questions but I don't think he really gets it. For example...he's been hammering away on Clinton's vote to go to war. She explained clearly that she voted to use the threat of war. For those that play poker, you know that if you're intent is to bluff...you don't show your cards. So it's not like they could vote for a resolution to "threaten" to go to war. It was Bush who took things too far, not Clinton. The threat of force is a valid one. It is simple negotiation. The fact that he does not accept that answer goes against his message and/or suggests he is playing politics. Doesn't sound like any kind of change to me. He just does not have much of a record to scrutinize, so he can get away with it.

Again, I'm surprized how nieve people can be when the next person comes along preaching "Change" and "Hope". Everyone just buys in. You can look back at clips of candidates running when film first came out saying the same thing. It's the oldest message around. I'd rather vote for someone with some history that I can evaluate, not someone who was supposedly truthful during an interview while running for office.

BTW, I'd vote Obama before McCain, so your comments are a bit off base assuming I'm a McCain supporter.

[jman2439]

Originally Posted by ivwshane

I agree and disagree. If anyone did any kind of research on bush and his past they would have easily seen that he was not qualified in any way.

I do believe that ron paul was the best candidate because I felt he truly understood whats at stake and whats need to change the direction we are in. I think obama understands as well but not to the same degree, however one area I think obama has an edge on RP is his ability to bring together people across political lines (something RP was not able to do. Hell his own party laughed at him).

Hillary is too focused on health care to see how other issues play into the overall big picture and I get the impression that other issues will take a back seat but the one thing she does lack is the ability to bring people together across party lines.

As for mccain, he has been in the system too long and isn't willing to challenge the system let alone change it. He also lacks the understanding of the bigger picture, whether it be the economy, health care, or foreign policy. That and I could never vote for a guy that doesn't understand the economy or at least the basics like inflation or how interest rates work.

I agree with most of what you said. Hillary cannot bring people together...McCain is useless and out of touch. I'm not sure how much Obama gets it though. I just don't think he has the experience to implement what he believes and this pastor issue may eliminate his ability to bring people together.

If Obama had not done so well, they could have teamed up as president and VP and Obama could have gained some really valuable experience. But now that they've gone at each other so agressively, I think that option is off the table.

[jman2439]

Originally Posted by ivwshane

If experience means knowing how to push through legislation that benefits big businesses and making sure your friends get a piece of the action or knowing how to get away with corruption and other scandals I'll pass. If experience means showing loyalty only to your party and creating an atmosphere where compromise isn't an option I'll pass. If experience means being content with status quo and not pushing america to be held to higher standards or at the very least holding america to the same standards we require of other countries, I'll pass. If experience means to be short sided and not see the big picture then I say if it's broke, fix it! It's time to get rid of experience and let the unexperienced try

Did that with Bush. It did not go well.

The country is so permanantly polarized, that I do not think there is any going back.

[tweakmonkey]

Originally Posted by jman2439

This part of your post says a lot. I don't think many in their 20's recognize the value of experience. I listened to part of the clips you posted. I heard a lot about bringing sides together...changing Washington...etc.

Yeah he answered some questions but I don't think he really gets it. For example...he's been hammering away on Clinton's vote to go to war.

I'm not talking about any of those specific topics. I'm talking about Obama's general approach toward problem solving. Toward the end of the second clip I watched (it's long, I know. Try skipping ahead if you can't wade through it), he talks about his approach toward solving problems like education and No Child Left Behind.

His solution is to take experts from both sides and his panel, have everyone sit around a big table, and talk it out. He says he'd broadcast the whole discussion on the Internet so everyone could see it to know what's going on. Maybe this strategy is a complete lie and he'd never do it. But if I'm going to believe anything in this election, the general approach toward fixing problems he offers (compared with the traditional "I'll do whatever the lobbyists want and not tell anyone a damned thing about it" that we currently see) seems like a very fresh approach.

I'm more into his intelligent, rational approach in solving problems than rhetoric in his speeches. He doesn't woo me with his talking, he woos me with his magnetic brainpower that's clearly different than Clinton or McCain, who have comparable lobotomies when it comes to logic.

Again, I'm surprized how nieve people can be when the next person comes along preaching "Change" and "Hope". Everyone just buys in. You can look back at clips of candidates running when film first came out saying the same thing. It's the oldest message around. I'd rather vote for someone with some history that I can evaluate, not someone who was supposedly truthful during an interview while running for office.

BTW, I'd vote Obama before McCain, so your comments are a bit off base assuming I'm a McCain supporter.

I wasn't directing my post toward you or anyone here, I was just justifying why I choose Obama over McCain or Clinton. Age and experience matter, for sure. I value the wisdom my senior-citizen parents share with me, but I barely trust them behind the wheel of a car and certainly wouldn't want them running the country. The reason is that the decisions they'd make are based on the past. The present is the problem and the future is what's trying to be preserved. That may sound like a bad reason to vote for someone, but I firmly believe the country would be in better hands with someone like the CEO of Google running it than someone like Bush, Cheney, or McCain... but those guys are in power for a number of reasons which we won't get into here.

Experience in the traditional, jacked-up politics we've experienced for the past 20 years don't qualify you for shit except to confirm you know how to do what hasn't worked and clearly isn't working now.