[Cartman]

Originally Posted by Boltsky

Bitch shouldn't have put herself in that situation!

oh come on, give a decent responce to that question

[ninefivezero]

Originally Posted by nidex

Pro-life. You can't prevent a human being from coming onto this earth just because you fucked up. You should know the consequences of sex before you do it.

When we live in a utopia, sure. But until then I think the right to have an abortion is a very important one.

If nothint else, it means less, poor, uneducated people out there leaching of of welfare and other social aid programs.

[Boltsky]

Originally Posted by ninefivezero

When we live in a utopia, sure. But until then I think the right to have an abortion is a very important one.

If nothint else, it means less, poor, uneducated people out there leaching of of welfare and other social aid programs.

I'm going to have to agree with 9 fitty on this.

[PeNZ]

im sick of people leaching welfare and wic, god damn.

[Nothing.]

Originally Posted by Boltsky

Bitch shouldn't have put herself in that situation!

ahaha, that is great.

[GirlsRidePonies]

I'm pro life personally, and it isn't because some 2000 year old book says so. I just don't like the idea.

The gov't shouldn't be able to say what you can and can't do though, and I think people should be able to make their own decisions without some suit giving the permission.

[Boltsky]

Originally Posted by GirlsRidePonies

The gov't shouldn't be able to say what you can and can't do though, and I think people should be able to make their own decisions without some suit giving the permission.

Yes, because people should be free to do whatever they want. Sorry if you don't detect the sarcasm, but I'm feeling the rupturing of the bullshit meter. The simple fact of the matter is regardless of what some people want the government will always dictate certain aspects of your life in regards to what you are and are not permitted to do.

[GirlsRidePonies]

True. Some aspects. I don't think this is one of them.

But I believe that people can make their own decisions concerning this matter, and the government shouldn't have anything to do with it.

As I said before, I am pro life, but just because I think one way doesn't mean everyone should.

[NoseMaster]

When I get a car I'd put a pro-choice bumper sticker on it like "I kill babies" or something of the sort, but I don't feel like getting my car attacked by a bunch of rabid protesters :[

[00kilo]

Originally Posted by Jackalope

pro-choice, as far as abortion goes, but partial birth abortion is just fucked up.

The reason why i am for abortion works out like this: the people against abortion believe that life starts from the moment of concpetion, almost ALWAYS due to religious reasons (ie its gods miracle, the soul is already there yada yada yada).

so, for the government to tell me that mass of cells, which is still connected to me, is a person must dictate that the government is acknowledging a soul, which then states that teh gov. believes in god, and all that supernatural bullshit

basically, its justa buncha cells w/ the potential to become a life once that heart starts beatin. till then its no different than clipping your fingernails as far as the government should be concerned.

Your argument can't hold water until you define when this lump of cells becomes a human being. Im dissapointed in many of you because no one has yet to examine the Lacy Peterson trial in which Scott Peterson recieved charges for killing an unborn fetus, which acknowledges that a fetus is a living being at some point in time in the womb. How religion go thrown into this, im not quite sure. Though most will agree that religious people are more likely to protect the rights of a child, they do not do this because of some "2000 year old book" but because most of them believe that the fetus is actually a living being soul or sans-soul. I highly doubt you will find somone who believes in any denomination of catholicism who will tell you they hate children but are pro-life simply because their pastor or 2000 year old tome tells them to. Besides, im sure the pastor's are always searching for more alter boys.

The most non-sensical argument i see thrown about is that parents who cannont support their child should be able to abort. Im sure many of these people who throw this around would be willing to give their tax dollars to a physically or mentally handi-capped person, yet they won't even bother saving a perfectly normal(well in most cases) human being from certain death, and a death that is quite gruesome and surely painful if the fetus is able to feel pain. Not only does their argument not make sense, but it also refuses to directly address the problem of the rapid sexual proliferation in younger adults. This is like attacking the tobbacco bussiness with new emphysema medicines.

[Boltsky]

Originally Posted by 00kilo

Your argument can't hold water until you define when this lump of cells becomes a human being. Im dissapointed in many of you because no one has yet to examine the Lacy Peterson trial in which Scott Peterson recieved charges for killing an unborn fetus, which acknowledges that a fetus is a living being at some point in time in the womb. How religion go thrown into this, im not quite sure. Though most will agree that religious people are more likely to protect the rights of a child, they do not do this because of some "2000 year old book" but because most of them believe that the fetus is actually a living being soul or sans-soul. I highly doubt you will find somone who believes in any denomination of catholicism who will tell you they hate children but are pro-life simply because their pastor or 2000 year old tome tells them to. Besides, im sure the pastor's are always searching for more alter boys.

The most non-sensical argument i see thrown about is that parents who cannont support their child should be able to abort. Im sure many of these people would be willing to give their tax dollars to a physically or mentally handi-capped person, yet they won't even bother saving a perfectly normal(well in most cases) human being from certain, and a death that is quite gruesome and surely painful if the fetus is able to feel pain. Not only does their argument make sense, but it also refuses to directly address the problem of the rapid sexual proliferation in younger adults. This is like attacking the tobbacco bussiness with new emphysema medicines.

Excellant post; probably the best in this thread so far.

[nidex]

Originally Posted by ninefivezero

When we live in a utopia, sure. But until then I think the right to have an abortion is a very important one.

If nothint else, it means less, poor, uneducated people out there leaching of of welfare and other social aid programs.

There's always adoption. And fuck welfare.

[ThatHideousStrength]

i put myself in the situation of the child thats going to be aborted and refuse to accept being murdered because I'm "unwanted"

[GirlsRidePonies]

Originally Posted by nidex

There's always adoption. And fuck welfare.

Yeah, adoption is the avenue I'd take, if I had to. Fuck welfare indeed.

[KilledByDeath]

coming from a girls point of view: pro-choice. the reasons being: if a guy rapes you and now you are stuck with his kid... even it it's not rape - but he dumps you once he finds out your having a baby - it sucks to be the woman because you can't just "ditch" the child like the males. I will always be stuck with it if i don't want it (unless i put it up for adoption). My sister had a kid and the dad isn't around much and she has to take care of the thing all the time, it's not fair! Okay so enough about me rambling on about how being a girl sucks -

[HoldenBurn1000]

Originally Posted by Boltsky

Fuck it.

Pure and simple!

[MSP]

I've never read anything that has influenced my attitude towards abortion, so I think this "debate" is pointless. I am a father of two and love children very much, and I believe that adoption should be the first choice for unwanted children. That said, if the choice is for some ghetto slut to have 7 kids that I'm paying for while she smokes crack and cocks (to pay for the crack) my vote is for abortion. But then again, I'm for forced sterilization under certain circumstances, so I'm probably not a good person to ask...

[Jackalope]

00kilo, why not set teh time of it being a life, the same way we say something "isnt life" ie, the mass of cells is a seperate human when it has a heartbeat(its own) and brainwaves.

makes sense, for soewmthing to diue, its heart has to stop pumping blood and that brain has gotta be workin (or at least had to have been working at some point)

but until then, its still just a buncha cells in teh body

[ivwshane]

I'm pro choice.

Just like with gay marriage, I could care less what another person does just as long as it does not affect me. For abortions that means, as long as I, the tax payer, am not paying for it then I don't care what you do.

As far as how late one should be allowed to have an abortion, I'm not sure if there is an exact point other than if the baby were to be had right then and had a chance of living then it's too late for the abortion.

[ward]

Originally Posted by GirlsRidePonies

Yeah, adoption is the avenue I'd take, if I had to. f*** welfare indeed.

(i was away for a day or two so i just was reading the replies)

yes....there are thousands of parents out there who would love to adopt a child right from birth...so basically the real mother never meets the child.


and about women getting raped? i totally agree that they shouljd be allowed to do whatever is best for their situation if that should occur...but the numbers of women becoming pregnant after rape are SOO low...ill show u the stats sheet that people gave out in my class...ill take a picture of it... h/o

[ward]

Abortion in the United States - Statistics


· There have been over 43 million abortions since 1973.

· The annual number of abortions went from 744,600 in the
first year of legalization, to a high of over 1.6 million in
1990. In 1997, there were 1,312,990.

· There were nearly 3,600 abortions per day in 2000, 149 per
hour, about one every 24 se